Film Junk Premium Podcast #88: The Ocean’s Franchise

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“You guys are pros. The best. I’m sure you can make it out of the casino. Of course, lest we forget, once you’re out the front door, you’re still in the middle of the fucking desert!” With a new Steven Soderbergh crime movie arriving on HBO Max this weekend, we decided it was time to revisit the Ocean’s franchise, the stylish trilogy of heist films that he is arguably best known for. Uneven though they may be, these were enjoyable to rewatch and we also threw in the 2018 spin-off and the 1960 original as well. Our discussion covers the history of Las Vegas and the evolution of the heist movie genre, the appeal of Frank Sinatra and the Rat Pack, the experimental and meta elements of the series and, of course, the detailed real-world logistics of each heist. Who is the coolest member of the Ocean’s crew? Did Ocean’s 12 get unfairly dismissed upon its original release? Could Ocean’s 8 actually be the best entry in the series? Most importantly, what is the proper order to file these movies on your shelf? Cash in your chips and download this month’s premium podcast below.

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  • OsoDuck

    Frank’s right, the Oceans’ movies are trying way too hard to be cool. It makes me wonder why Frank is also such a big Tarantino fan because Tarantino has always been super desperate to score cool points. I tried to watch Resevoir Dogs recently and that opening part with the Madonna song conversation is capital B Brutal. Unwatchable hipster stuff.

    It’s also apt that Frank should mention the mystery of Cary Grant’s appeal because to me George Clooney is a modern day Cary Grant. Both are quite clearly effeminate men but they are often awkwardly miscast in man’s man roles. Only the Coen’s know how to use Clooney’s strengths, and they use him in much the same way Cary Grant was used to good effect, as a screwball goofball.

    The appeal of Frank Sinatra was that he had ties to Kennedy and the mafia. He was a supreme douche but he was perceived to be powerful so people fawned all over him. They say that the dude who wakes up to the horse head in the Godfather was inspired by Sinatra. Apparently, Sinatra once harassed Puzo at a restaurant over the rumors about the characterization.

    Thank you for the content, gentlemen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQvrap19Eng