Film Junk Premium Podcast #76: Oliver Stone

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“We’re through the looking glass here people. White is black and black is white.” Film Junk’s latest premium podcast delves into the filmography of one of the most well-known and controversial auteurs of the past few decades, a man who often uses his movies to bring political messages to the masses. We start with a couple of Oliver Stone’s most iconic 1980s films, Platoon and Wall Street, before moving into the ’90s with JFK, Natural Born Killers and Any Given Sunday. The conversation runs the gamut from the impressive casting of his films and the groundbreaking cinematography of Robert Richardson to the allure of conspiracy theories and Stone’s fixation on Vietnam. Does Oliver Stone always overemphasize message over storytelling? Are his films always ahead of their time or are they perfectly of their time? Would Quentin Tarantino’s version of Natural Born Killers have been superior to Stone’s? And most importantly… who really killed JFK? Open your eyes and download his month’s premium podcast below.

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  • Lori Cerny

    Re: Platoon BO

    Being 19 in 1986, I remember the movie heavily promoting Charlie Sheen. The correlation with his father, Martin Sheen having starred in Apocalypse Now, was obvious even with the trailer and framing of Charlie Sheen in scenes. I will never forget that red bandana because of the way he stood out alongside other actors. That had to be a marketing choice.

  • OsoDuck

    JFK is glorified snuff. No reason to actually show multiple times the part of the Zapruder film where the poor man gets his head ripped off by a bullet. A choice that could possibly be forgiven if the film was good, but it is an obnoxious mess.

    Get real.

  • devolutionary

    Jay really stone-walled Stone in this Premium, leaving Frank to try and open everyone’s eyes. While Platoon was the big launching pad for several African-American actors (+ Reggie Johnson, lol), another noteable casting was a then unknown Corey Glover who would go on to front the pioneering funk-metal band Living Color.

  • Jay Lee

    Good show, but leaving out The Doors is head scratching to me. Who gives a fuck about Any Given Sunday?

  • windh

    You have to read what you deny, Frank: https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/warren-commission-report

    After that, I’d recommend ‘Reclaiming History’ written by Charles Manson prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi.

    After reading those, please come back on the issue.

  • windh

    You have to read what you deny, Frank: https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/warren-commission-report

    After that, I’d recommend ‘Reclaiming History’ written by Charles Manson prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi.

    After reading those, please come back on the issue.

    You need to look at the facts, not theories. Nope. Not a single evidence for more than ONE shooter.

    Bonus: Did anyone make The Irishman connection with JFK? DeNiro meets Pesci’s JFK-character David Ferrie in the harbour. The Fairy called Ferrie.

    I love JFK, but it’s pure fiction.

  • decided to read books supporting the “official version”

    That’s like Fox News reporting on what Trump says which he got from watching Fox News.

  • windh

    In what way?

  • If you read a book that supports Nazi ideas would that open your eyes as well? It’s simply an affirmation. If someone tells me Hillary Clinton is running a child pornography ring out of a pizza parlor and I then read a book that supports that it doesn’t make it any more true. I mean, you put official version in quotation marks, that’s already pretty revealing.

    You probably also think O.J. didn’t kill his wife because that’s the “official version”. But at the end of the day everyone can believe whatever they want.

  • If you don’t believe in science

    Lol. Let’s just leave it there. Keep drinking the Kool-Aid, lad.

  • windh

    Interesting arguments.. I suppose you’re rather well read into the assassination? I’d be happy to debate it.

    Set up a silly theory and I’ll knock it right back for you.

    I put it in quotation marks because I think it’s a kind of a silly naming. I should have called it ‘the investigation’s findings’.

    As for OJ. Is that the “official version” now, because he was acquitted? :’D Decided by an ignorant jury? I kind of recall the investigation pointing clearly to his guilt in the case. And an extremely flawed system (as the media circus around it) wrecked the trial.

  • windh

    Yep, can I borrow your tinfoil hat?https://media0.giphy.com/media/oYdAs9ZzzmUlG/giphy.gif

  • As much as we could exchange barbs I don’t really see the point even if this is the internet.

  • windh

    I agree.

  • Mrespony

    Platoon impressed me when I first saw it, at 13. I don’t think I’ve rewatched any older Oliver Stone movies that I’ve seen and I’m not sure if I’ve seen any films he’s made in this century save parts of that awful Alexander movie. Natural Born Killers gave me a panic attack, probably my body’s defense response to that editing. BUT, the dude did write some amazing screenplays, Conan the Barbarian, Scarface and Midnight Express, in particular, are some of my favorites. I think The Hand is an oddity in his body of work and I’ve never seen Seizure, but based on it’s synopsis I may have to.

  • Samb

    As a fellow 1986 19-year-old, I can back Frank up on his contention that Platoon was the first Vietnam movie of its type. Prior to that, the war had been largely addressed via the metaphor of other wars (MASH, Catch-22, Slaughterhouse 5) or treated as a fever dream (Apocalypse Now, The Deer Hunter). Then in quick succession in ’86 came Platoon, then Full Metal Jacket, then Hamburger Hill, all of which were more or less grunts-eye views of the actual Vietnam War. We’ve sped up history in the movies since then — seems like time barely passes between a momentous event and the subsequent movie treatment. Maybe we’re processing traumas more quickly, if not necessarily more effectively….

  • devolutionary

    Definitely blame the Patreon poll, not the Junklemen. I sided with Born on the Fourth of July, Talk Radio, or Salvador myself.

  • KylG

    think there is a chapter missing. JFK discussion ends abruptly then it goes right into Any Given Sunday. no section on Natural Born Killers in the episode

  • Sean

    24% of Patrons care about Any Given Sunday!

  • Sean

    Is it possible that one of the files didn’t download properly for you? I assume there would have been other people mentioning this already if it was missing for everyone, but I will take a look.

  • B MP Rooney

    Adam Sandler premium? I think that’d be fun. Punch Drunk, Wedding Singer, Airheads, Eight Crazy Nights, Meyerwitz (sp)

  • Sam

    Yeah, everything played fine for me. KylG might need to have his eyes opened!

  • Sam

    Precisely the three I was hoping for. Probably would have preferred Salvador the most. After watching Talk Radio, didn’t love the movie, but I think it would have at least been a fun discussion too.

  • OsoDuck

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGAAhzreGWw

    Serendipitously, I happened to come along this beautiful song last night, which seems a perfect companion to all of Jay’s Jonesian conspiracy theory ravings in this premium.

  • Lori Cerny

    I named my cat Sara Dippity.

  • Lori Cerny

    No problems with my dl either.

  • Lori Cerny

    Fairy tales that I used to believe:

    The Easter Bunny
    Santa Clause
    The Warren Commission
    That all people in prison are guilty
    That police don’t shoot unarmed African Americans
    The U.S. Government

  • windh

    I agree on most. Except the WC. Obviously. Merry Xmas.

  • Essie

    I love you all but this was the first podcast I nearly had to turn off based on Frank. I know he is playing up his character but the JFK discussion was so obnoxious, and his performance rendered any discussion on the actual film impossible. It is cute for a couple minutes but he keeps going back to the open your eyes thing.

    I understand that the JFK assassination is a labyrinth but it is hilarious to have someone continue to insist it was a coverup and then in the next breath admit to not knowing about the simplest facts of the case. Read the Warren Commission, Reclaiming History, even On the Trail of the Assassins.

    Anyway thank you for the show.

  • Essie

    I feel the same was as you. Love JFK, but of course Oswald acted alone. It is funny in the preface of Reclaiming History Bugliosi states he can prove people who oppose the findings of the Warren Commission are being ignorant by simply pointing out most of them have not and will not actually read it. The responses you got below only prove that.

  • gibson8

    ‘this was the first podcast I nearly had to turn off based on Frank’. Hypocritical, argumentative, contrarian, lacking critical thinking, childish, wilfully ignorant and narrow minded. And the award for most patient podcast listener in the world goes to…Essie.

  • gibson8

    Don’t tell Essie!

  • windh

    Spot on. Not very easy to get that through though.. Merry Christmas.

  • colin the dude

    Take a shot every time Frank says, “and stuff like that.”