Film Junk Podcast Episode #723: Parasite + TIFF 2019


0:00 – Intro: Jay’s Surgery, Sean’s Sickness
23:50 – Discussion: Walt Disney World
1:00:45 – Review: Parasite
1:21:50 – Other Stuff We Watched: Uncut Gems, Knives Out, Color Out of Space, Hustlers, A Hidden Life, About Endlessness, Marriage Story, Dolemite Is My Name
2:26:40 – This Week on DVD and Blu-ray
2:31:00 – Outro
2:36:30 – Spoiler Discussion: Parasite

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  • Indianamcclain

    Hey Sean, I remember you having Leaving Neverland as an honorable mention in the top 5 of 2019 thus far. I was curious if your feelings towards the film (TV Show?) had changed in light of the info that’s come out regarding the two accusers?

  • Mister Quigley Jr.

    Love the TIFFs, look forward to it every year.

  • Falsk

    I have such an extreme phobia of anesthesia. I had to have my bottom wisdom teeth removed a few years back and actually requested just having novocaine (my first experience with it) and opted to have FJ playing in my earbuds which actually was rather comforting. May need minor foot surgery at the end of the year and don’t know how I feel about actually confronting this fear. If Jay can do it… !!

  • Sean

    What is the new info that has come out? Do you have any links?

    I saw that a judge ruled in favour of the Jackson estate, essentially just agreeing that HBO should have let them tell their side of the story. Not sure if that is what you are referring to.

  • Tommy

    Jay, you should check out some James Gray in the run up to Joker. Lots of good Joaq performances in there.

  • Colin

    Sean, looks like your trip to Disney came just a bit too early:

  • pcch7

    Sean sounds like my grandpa with that cough haha, get better man

  • Sean

    Oh man, Alicia’s gonna be pissed…

  • pcch7

    Being put to sleep like that is a weird feeling for sure, when I woke up I had no sense or concept of time having passed.

  • Well you guys aren’t privy to all the new shit so… but hey, that’s what you pay me for. Which reminds me, do you think that I could get my 20 thousand in cash? My concern is… and I’ll have to check with my accountant, that this might bump me up into a higher… uh… tax…

  • I still get flagged as spam every time I comment here.

  • Indianamcclain

    [Edit: Sorry for this comment going on for so long, but it takes a little bit of time to explain some of this stuff. If you need proof on any specific claim let me me know and I’ll try my best to get it for you.]

    No not that. There are numerous problems with their stories that have been revealed since the release of the documentary that I can’t list them all here. I would highly recommend looking into these problems yourself. I’ll just highlight some of the biggest issues.

    Now I’m not saying that this definitively proves Jackson’s innocence because quite frankly anything could’ve happened behind closed doors, and the only people that know for sure are Wade and James. However, the lies and inconsistencies with their stories were enough to make me stop believing both men.

    It’s important to note right off the bat that both Wade and James are suing the Michael Jackson estate for millions of dollars. I’ve seen some people say they’re suing for 1.5 billion dollars but I haven’t seen anything that substantiates that claim. Both of their cases have been thrown out multiple times, and in the case of Wade Robson his case was thrown out the first time because he blatantly perjured himself in court by saying that he didn’t know Michael Jackson had an estate. The Estate provided e-mails of Robson begging to be the main choreographer in the Michael Jackson Cirque Du Solei show proving that he did in fact know that Michael Jackson had an estate.

    -Wade’s claims of abuse only came about after he lost out on the Cirque Du Solei show. To be fair that could just be a coincidence.

    -In his complaint James Safechuck claims that he was abused by Michael Jackson from 1988-1992. In Leaving Neverland James says that he was abused everyday on the second story of the Neverland train station. He’s referring to the main station with the floral clock in front of it since this is the only station on the property that has two stories. The problem is that this train station didn’t exist until 1994 at which point James Safechuck would’ve been 16 years old, but he states in his declaration that the abuse stopped when he was 14.

    -Wade Robson says that the first time he was abused occurred when his family left him alone at Neverland for 5 days while they went on vacation to the Grand Canyon in 1990. However, Wade’s Mom, Joy Robson, contradicted this story in testimonies that she gave in 1993 and 2016. In both cases she says that the whole family went to the Grand Canyon, and that Wade had never been by himself at the ranch until 1993. Also, in his 2016 deposition Wade gave a completely different story of when he was first abused claiming that his sister was sleeping upstairs at the time. You can actually see him talking about it in the deposition footage below from 0:00-0:33.

    -Wade Robson says that Michael taught him to hate women. But Michael’s niece Brandi Jackson has since come out saying that she dated Wade for several years. Two of those years are when Wade claims that he was being abused. According to Brandi the person that set the two of them up was Michael Jackson, and that the only reason they broke up is because Wade cheated on her with multiple women including Brittany Spears.

    -Wade says that the only reason he testified in the 2005 case was because he received a subpoena. The private investigator in the 2005 case, Scott Ross, has since come out saying that he never gave Wade a subpoena. He says that he called Wade and Wade volunteered to be the first witness in the trial for the defense. So far no evidence of Wade’s subpoena has surfaced in any court documents, and in the deposition footage above at 1:14 Wade can’t seem to remember how or where he received this subpoena.

    As a side note, Scott Ross says that before getting on the witness stand Wade had to be interviewed by Ross, the police, the prosecution, and on top of that he withstood withering cross examination from two seasoned attorneys. If Wade’s story is to be believed you have to believe that that he was somehow able to lie his way through all of these people without ever wavering.

    -James Safechuck claims that he and his family had Thanksgiving dinner with Michael Jackson, but Michael Jackson was touring in Australia at the time.

    -James Safechuck says that Michael gave him the Thriller jacket. Unless James was referring to replica jacket this can’t be true. There were two Thriller jackets made. John Landis’ wife owns one, and the other is owned by the MJ Estate.

    -Wade Robson also said that his conviction to testify for Michael was strengthened when he went to a dinner with Michael’s family and he took note of how Michael “wasn’t there” with his children. Meaning that he was emotionally distant with them due to the upcoming trial. However, Taj Jackson put out a tweet saying that this dinner happened after the trial.

    -James Safechuck says that Michael Jackson called him multiple times in an effort to get Safechuck to testify. When James refused Michael allegedly told Safechuck that his lawyers would get James because he perjured himself years ago in a statement from 1993 where he stated that Michael never touched him inappropriately. There’s two problems with this story.
    1. Prior to the 2005 case even starting the Judge had declared that nothing regarding James Safechuck was going to be allowed into court. Safechuck was declared a “non-entity”. So this whole story of Safechuck getting threatend to testify by Michael Jackson himself makes no sense because James was not even allowed to be part of the trial.
    2. The claim of Jackson saying that his lawyers would get Safechuck because he perjured himself is nonsensical. In order for Michael Jackson to out Safechuck as a perjurer he would first have to incriminate himself by admitting to abusing Safechuck in court.

    It keeps going from there. Whether you believe Wade and James or not I think this is very important info that was conveniently left out of the film. I personally don’t believe that Dan Reed properly researched these stories because if he did how does something like the train station and 2005 case fibs make their way into the film? On a first watch a completely believed both of these men’s stories just like you, but imo the evidence does not back up their claims.

    There’s multiple mini-docs on Youtube that cover these issues, but imo this is the best one since it includes excerpts from court transcripts, although I will admit it gets a tad bit cheesy near the end.

  • Mark Stevens

    On the week AD ASTRA comes out you guys pick THIS as your film to review. Geez!

  • Sean

    Next week!

  • Sean

    Yeah I have seen some of this stuff… it strikes me as a lot of little nitpicks in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. But I get it, it’s complicated. We’re talking about people who publicly denied things in the past so they’ve already contradicted themselves. A lot of their claims are based on memory, which is super unreliable. Maybe I’m super gullible for believing them. But I think there are a lot of people who just want to defend Michael Jackson because they love his music or they think he is a kindhearted soul and they feel sorry for him. Everyone is operating on emotion, it’s hard to get down to just facts.

  • Jake

    Will there be a Last Blood review too ;) ?

  • Sean

    That’s the plan! And they are both playing at the drive-in so I’d say there’s a pretty good chance that plan will become a reality. :)

  • Len F.

    Jay you should see Two Lovers by James Gray. Great movie with some awesome Joaquin.

  • Indianamcclain

    Well I’m glad that you’re already aware of some of this because I was not at the time. You’re absolutely right that some MJ fans go overboard with the whole thing of “Michael wouldn’t do this because he was a good person” narrative. To be honest my Mom is one these people ????. However, everything that convinced me that they’re not telling the truth has come from court transcripts, previous testimonies, building permits, witness testimonies, the fact that their stories just happen to fall within the California statute of limitations, etc.

    I guess that’s what seperates this from Bill Cosby, R Kelly, or Harvey Weinstein for me. There’s a lack of other victims since these accusations, and evidence. Having said all that I’m open to any actual evidence that they have that can indeed back up their accusations. Thanks for at least being open to talking about this.

  • Dan Gordon

    Good bit. Next bit!

  • Jake

    I’ve been wanting to watch that. The only thing I remember about that film is it’s the one he was supposed to be prompting when he had his infamous Letterman appearance.

  • Jake


  • Matt Thephotoman

    Love to hear what you guys think of ‘Mariane’ on Netflix, I think it’s bloody awesome, scariest tv show I’ve seen, a combination of it follows, hereditary and exorcist 3- and that’s just episode one! Well worth checking out.

  • Len F.

    Yeah I think that’s credited with crushing the film and having it disappear from memory pretty quick. Ashame because I think it’s quite good.

  • Jonnie123

    Would love you guys to do a Bowfinger retro review!

  • Nobody

    I don’t get it, they chose one of the best-reviewed movies of the year from a major filmmaker, what’s wrong with that?

  • Matt the Kiwi

    Pretty sure Frank is on the money with Sean and Jay having their Parasite rating influenced by dint of having seen it at TIFF. I know myself that every movie I’ve seen at a film festival got at least a .5 or 1 star bump just from the atmosphere…it’s like a more powerful strain of classitocis. Necrotizing Festivitis anyone?

  • fielFX

    amazing episode guys! thank you for the laughs. are you centered? what do you mean, spiritually? that was very funny ahah

  • devolutionary

    I had my wisdom teeth grow in sideways behind my jaw (smaller than normal jawline) and it went undetected for years since panoramic x-rays weren’t enforced. They just assumed that I never grew any. Orthodontist was shocked that I never once felt any pain or discomfort. Had to get 8 teeth surgically removed at the same time and ate threw a straw for a month.

  • Essie

    Frank bending over backwards to defend the upper class is just hilarious.

  • Indianamcclain

    The Dolemite biopic wasn’t really on my radar until a week ago, but I’m excited for it. It’s nice to see Eddie Murphy, and Wesley Snipes in a film of that caliber. I kinda thought Murphy had retired from acting.

  • OsoDuck

    Get well soon gentlemen. Frank too.

  • Beat_C

    3 hours? that’s a good length to fill up the vast emptiness that was left in my soul by not having a show to listen to last week.

    the “parasite” review was a prime example for frank needing explanations and literal meanings for everything he sees. it seems that he feels lost otherwise.
    the meaning of the stone was actually verbalized in the movie itself: this gift should bring the recipient wealth. of course BJ-h turns the symbolism inside out during the course of the movie …

  • Beat_C

    is it common in north america to receive anesthesia when you get your wisdom teeth removed, even for normal cases? jay mentioned the same. seems excessive.

  • Beat_C


  • windh

    LOL. The gas prices whining. What a JOKE.

    Current average gas price in Sweden: 2.16 CAD/liter. (6.15 USD/gallon)

    Thank you, Goodnight.

  • Falsk

    Very common. To the point that I remember getting a lot of raised eyebrows when I insisted I only wanted novocain for my procedure. I don’t know how it is elsewhere, but I imagine it’s pushed a lot here to avoid anxiety more than pain.

  • Nobody

    Does the blue milk resemble anything else you’ve had, Sean? I just know it’s more of a fruit-flavored drink. I still regret not trying the butterbeer when I was at Universal Hollywood, but I only held off because that fucking Harry Potter ride gave me motion sickness for the first time.

    Frank gave Parasite 4 stars and Okja 4.25 or 4.5, but he definitely liked Parasite more? Whoops.
    Spoilerish for Parasite:

    Another reason given for the husband living in the basement is that he’s hiding from debt collectors who want to get their hands on him.

  • Sean

    Yeah it tasted like a fruit slushie of some sort. Definitely not like milk at all. I believe it is a blend of coconut and rice milk so it is actually dairy free.

  • Got my pin, it’s gorgeous and I would like many more. And I know it’s extra work you guys aren’t looking for, but you put out a shirt or hoodie, I’m in.