Film Junk Podcast Episode #713: Yesterday

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0:00 – Intro: Reed’s Pilgrimage to England
23:35 – Review: Yesterday
1:20:55 – Headlines: Avengers: Endgame Can’t Beat Avatar, Knives Out Trailer
1:35:30 – Other Stuff We Watched: Shaft (2019), Spartacus: Blood and Sand, Summer of ’84, I Am Mother, A Hard Day’s Night, Too Old to Die Young, The Love We Make, Four Weddings and a Funeral, Wake Up Ron Burgundy
2:20:00 – Instagram Live Q&A
2:27:25 – This Week on DVD and Blu-ray
2:29:05 – Outro

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  • Matt the Kiwi

    I’m gonna double post while I’m here. Frank is right about this existence being a simulation but he’s wrong about one important facet! If you posit that the ‘creators’ are so advanced that they can run an entire simulated universe, you also need to accept that they are able to start and stop that simulation from any moment in time and the inhabitants of the simulation (us) would have no idea. Why would they run a simulation from scratch simply to find out what happened in 2019? Not logical – they wouldn’t. They would simply spin up the simulation at the date they wanted to interrogate or experiment with and then shut it down again (every conscious being within the simulation would have fully formed memories from the second the simulation begins). So sorry Frank, yesterday never existed (the movie OR the day before today) and tomorrow will most likely never happen. I didn’t even really type this…it’s all part of the simulation of this moment.
    You probably think that you have a “memory” of the show you recorded, that this very post is a response to…nope, that memory was just put there when they started this simulation a few seconds ago. Enjoy this very brief moment of simulated reality! ????

  • Reed Farrington

    Hmm… I forgot that blind peeps have visual dreams. I didn’t know that fetuses have visual imagery. But how can a brain come up with something that it hasn’t any awareness of? I know linguists think that there’s an innate language processing encoded in our genes. So is there encoding for visualization as well?

  • Reed Farrington

    Fuck this creator idea, because you’ll always have the who created the creator problem. Best believe in the Big Bang!

  • Kevin Cardoza

    I felt like they asked Andy Partridge a bunch of softball questions and kind of skim over everything (they don’t even mention the strike against their Virgin contract for instance). The result is as a fan I learned nothing new and I feel like it wouldn’t convince anyone who never heard of them that they need to check them out.

  • OsoDuck

    Not if the Creator has existed for all eternity.

    I was also thinking, since Frank spoke of DNA as a code, that computer programming has a unique correlation with how God is said to have created the universe. God said “Let there be light.’ Later on, it is said of Jesus: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him: and without him was made nothing that was made…. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us” Particularly in the creation of video games, words are used to flesh games out, so to speak. Behind every character model in a video game is essentially a book written by the character’s creator, and yet the player only ever sees the character, not the invisible book or words of creation that led to the character.

    It took two thousand years but secular space age technology, in a way, verified the reality of material creation through the power of the word. Anyone with a 3d printer is essentially creating things through the application of a specialized language. The computer speaks and voila, the 3d printer makes me a sculpture of Dante from the Devil May Cry series. The fact that this all transpired in a world of atheism makes the irony that much more delicious.

  • Matt the Kiwi

    I’m with you there Reed. So much easier to have peace of mind knowing there is no creator. You don’t have to spend every waking moment fretting over which of his rules comes first in order of importance or whether he really cares what you eat, when you eat and where you put your penis. Not believing in a creator is freedom from tyranny.
    But it’s still fun to postulate about being in a simulation! I know nobody reads books anymore but if you did I would highly recommend Bedlam by Christopher Brookmyre. Starts off being a fun, light read about a man waking to find himself trapped in some of the worlds most popular video games but then turns into an exploration of the very nature of existence. I cried!

  • Reed Farrington

    Excellent answer.

  • TimC

    @reedfarrington:disqus Please come back on the show and expand on your belief that all children should be raised by the government.

    So many great moments in this episode that the guys blew right past that comment.

  • Reed Farrington

    I wasn’t being facetious with that belief either. Parents would get visitation rights and be allowed to checkout their children for vacations. I haven’t thought this all the way through, so I’m sure I’m overlooking something. When I see all the little criminals currently being raised on my street, I cry in despair.

  • Lior

    Reed, most likely dreams are not generated by the brain, or at least not wholly (after all, they are infused with the emotional baggage of the mind). But If you let go of the concept that the human brain creates ALL the experiences a person can have, a lot of things will make more sense to you. :-)

  • Lior

    The human brain can’t comprehend what came before a creator, because the human brain needs a subject and an object, and it exists in Time, so it is impossible to intellectually solve the Creator “problem”. The closer we can get is to accept, without measurable proof, that the creative force was always there, always existed, and leave it at that. We cannot know everything, and to think we live in a universe where everything is inherently knowable to us as humans on planet Earth is just arrogance. 2000 years ago people thought the planets were gods and that the Earth was flat. We can only imagine what will become knowable to us in another 2000 years.

  • Lior

    Happy belated Canada day, folks!

    I am highly anticipating the new podcast from Frank about the Simulation… Sim Junk? It needs to happen. I am not being flippant, I would like to hear this discussed in more detail, other than the few snippets each show! It is a fascinating subject that can go really, really deep.

    Of course, the ultimate “simulation movie” is The Matrix, but it only got some of it right. :-) oh how I wish there were more spiritual action movies around. What a rarity that gem was.

    I Am Mother cannot really be discussed in any meaningful way without spoilers, this could’ve been a great group review. I agree with Sean it has a strong moral idea at its center but the execution is a bit fuzzy.

    So the show was video broadcast on Instagram? I have no Instagram account and never had any interest in starting one. This will be a recurring thing? And if so, will it be exclusive to Instagram?

  • Lior

    I still read books, so thanks for the recommendation. :-) How would you say it compares to Ready Player One? (if you read it). RPO shows a world where everyone lives inside a simulation by choice, and we kind of starting to see that around us with games such as Fortnite. If you subscribe to the reality-as-simulation theory, than it is a simulation-within-a-simulation, only less elaborate and convincing.

  • Matt the Kiwi

    Hi Lior, I read both Ready Player One and Bedlam within the same year and gotta say, I found Bedlam to be a far better book. RPO really hit all my nostalgia buttons but without that, I thought the writing was a bit flat at times (and I never really connected with the characters). Bedlam was the opposite – I got sucked in from page one and the mystery element really hooked me…to awake within a recognizable computer game but have no concept of how you got in there and memories all fragmented. And then the terror sets in after a few days that, not only can’t you escape, you can never die either as you just re-spawn! Don’t worry though, the explanation holds up exceptionally well.
    One similarity to RPO is that he does “escape” into other real world video games – some hilarious (2D Mario!) and terrifying Silent Hill. But don’t take my word for how good it is – here’s a guardian review:
    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/feb/14/bedlam-christopher-brookmyre-review

  • Lior

    Yeah, there seems to be sub-sub-genre of people inside video games, whether intentionally or not. On the surface this sounded like RPO, but the aspect of the simulation as logical extrapolation of the nature of reality is what makes it unique, I guess. Apparently there is also a video game based on the book, which has received a much less favorable review: https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2015/10/12/bedlam-review/

    For the record, I absolutely loved Ready Player One (the movie, not so much). Kline followed it up with Armada, a novel with a similar conceit and almost identical characters tropes, but much much weaker.

  • Reed Farrington

    The Instagram video was a short video in which we took questions. Basically, Frank and I showed off our socks.

  • Sean

    I had not heard of Bedlam but it sounds like my cup of tea. Will definitely check it out. Thanks!

  • Matt the Kiwi

    Sean, at the risk of sounding like a total FilmJunk fanboy (fanman?), it would absolutely make my day if you ended up liking this book. Somebody from my favourite podcast reading a book by my favourite author…too cool :-) To tantalize you further, I can say that there are at least 20 real world computer games used to great effect in Bedlam. To list them all could lead to potential spoilers but it ranges from Half-life to Jet Set Willy to Sims to Assassins Creed to Black & White (the author clearly played them all for “research”). It’s very much goes in a direction that I wish the new Tron movie had.

  • RockJoker

    Sean, i totally hear you about the second episode, but you must continue with TOTDY. Yes, in this episode in particular it may seem that Refn just pads the dead space with long scenes of no particulr substance. Im Refns fan and even i started to suspect that. But after all 10 episodes i must say i sincerely don’t think thats the case. He totally went overboard with that stuff in the 2nd episode, but from 3 onward id say it’s one of the best series i’ve seen in the last 10 years. Up there with Twin Peaks The Return.

    Later episodes pack some of the most insane imagery series format has ever seen. There are a lot of hilarious moments and genuenly unique scenes you’Il never see anywhere else.

    Stick with it, Sean.

  • RockJoker

    I believe he said that about Drive. But i can be mistaken. Either way, he has a complete right to think it is a masterpiece. Just because directors aren’t often
    seen calling their movies masterpieces, doesn’t mean they don’t think so. Refn just has the balls and doesn’t give a fuck enough to tell it to Friedkin’s face, and to any other face for that matter. He fully aknowledges him self to be a fetish director with big ego, btw. Does that have any negative effect on his art? You can argue it does. But i think it helps him to be brave and unique.