Film Junk Podcast Episode #712: Toy Story 4


0:00 – Intro: 700 Club Pin Design
25:45 – Review: Toy Story 4
1:06:35 – Discussion: How Will Movies Survive the Next 10 Years?
1:31:25 – Other Stuff We Watched: Awake: The Million Dollar Game, The Hidden, Role Models, E.T., Bob Lazar: Area 51 & Flying Saucers, Homicide Hunter, Perfect Bid: The Contestant That Knew Too Much, Too Old To Die Young, Brooklyn 99, Black Mirror: Season 5, School of Rock
2:08:40 – Outro
2:18:00 – Spoiler Discussion: Toy Story 4

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  • devolutionary

    The very first inaugural NunCast! We welcome you with open arms and ears. The geneis of FJ 700 pins await.
    Oh yeah, and Toy Story 4 too.

  • Indianamcclain

    Colin shouldn’t be ashamed of his love for Batman 1989. It’s one of my favorite films as well. I’ve seen it many times over the years.

  • Loofton

    Frank, maybe every toy you ever ‘lost’ just up & decided to fuck off and live in a forest – you just figured you lost it.

  • SquidHead#1Fan

    Colin rules! Bring this guy back.

  • stevens1

    Oh no, Franks showing off again. Hurry back Jay.

  • Beat_C

    totally agree! he felt so at ease, and his dryness is totally up my alley. bring this guy back indeed.

  • Indianamcclain

    I know there’s been a lot of cynicism on this show specifically about the death of Cinema, but movies will never die. I don’t give a fuck what filmmakers have to say about it, or what an article has to say about it. I’ve heard people say multiple times that theatres would die and yet they’re still here. I’m sure people were probably saying the same thing in the mid-60’s before the renaissance of Coppola, Scorsese, DePalma, Lucas, and Spielberg. Similar to that period I do think that film is due for reinvention, but I don’t see it disappearing anytime soon.

  • pcch7

    Frank still hasn’t watched Chernobyl huh. I’m smelling a petition brewing

  • welyyt

    Yeah, it’s just bullshit clickbait; cinema isn’t going anywhere, and the cinematic universe trend is definitely not gonna kill it. I honestly think the comicbook bubble is gonna burst soon, and we’re gonna see a renaissance of self-contained original blockbusters.

    Arthouse is alive and well though, and interesting films are being made non-stop, you just gotta know where to look. Also, garbage articles like this are always so Hollywood-centric, it’s almost like cinema doesn’t exist outside the states.

  • FJ once again proves that there are the best podcast, as again they have a new guest, and the guest is great, and the show is great. The proof is in the pudding. FJ4Life

  • Sean

    I wouldn’t call it clickbait, there is some substance there and they have people on both sides of the various arguments. But as far as it being a limited perspective on cinema, that is a fair point. I guess the thing that depresses me most is just the idea that a younger generation is not excited about movies or even long form storytelling in general. That to me seems like the real killer, moreso than any economic forces at work.

  • welyyt

    It’s not necessarily clickbait, but the death of cinema is something that’s been talked to death in the last decade at the very least, and I don’t think this article brings much, if anything, to the table.

    You guys touched on something interesting in the episode and that’s the death of theaters; now I don’t think that’s gonna happen soon, but we are gonna experience a lull soon if the streaming thing keeps developing at this rate (though I’m sure that’s gonna experience a crash too, as Dax made a great comparison with what happened with comics in the nineties).

    Jimmy C. gets made fun of a lot these days, but I’m sure he (or someone else) has a technological breakthrough up his sleeve that’s gonna bring people back to theaters like Avatar did ten years ago.

    As far as long form storytelling goes, it does feel like something that could happen with the youtube generation growing up and all, but the longest MCU movie was also the one the most people went to see, so I think there’s still a need for that art form; people binge dozens of hours of a tv show and go see blockbusters that are bloated beyond belief. Cinema is doing exceptionally well, all things considered.

  • Dan

    Jealous of your guys’ friend group. Cool dudes!

  • Tommy

    Happy birthday, Frankie!

  • The story of Frank splitting his pants at his theater job is one of the greatest Film Junk stories ever told!

  • colin the dude

    Colin Nun was a win. Nun won, bud!!!

  • Beat_C

    I guess the way one feels about this topic is largely dependent on where one lives. I personally live in a city where we have lots of arthouse cinemas – I get to see all kinds of movies, big, small, new, old, American, foreign etc. I can imagine that if you have only cineplexes at your disposal, your perception of how the movies business has evolved, is quite a different one.

    And you’re right, the death of theatres and the death of cinema are two completely different issues. My guess is that at no other time in history have people watched more movies than today.

  • Nic

    I watched Sunset this weekend and thought that it was among the best new films I saw in the last couple of years. I also recently enjoyed Claire Denis’s High Life. Cinema is not just what comes out of Hollywood!

    Blockbusters are terrible right now and have been for a while but if you are willing to look past them, there are a lot of great foreign and arthouse movies being done every year. Perhaps blockbuster cinema will fade out over the next decades but cinema as an art form will absolutely not. Directors like Laszlo Nemes, Lav Diaz or Apichatpong Weerasethakul are the ones that are truly working on reinventing the language of film right now and I ultimately don’t care that much if we have 20 comic book movies that come out each year or 5. Those won’t be the films we remember in 50 years anyways.

  • Jake

    Why has it taken this long to have Colin on the show? How many stories from working at the Seaway Cinemas with Frank is he sitting on lol? For what it’s worth I would totally subscribe to Art Junk. I want to live in a world where the only podcasts I listen to are part of the FJ family.

  • Falsk

    Ha ha! This future of cinema discussion isn’t depressing at all! *Burns film degree*

  • Ben Bueno

    Great episode, and Colin was an awesome guest. The future of cinema talk depressed the shit out of me though. I think Frank is overreacting a bit, but I do agree that truly great stuff is harder to come by these days. The death of the theater itself though? I never go anyway. Shut er down

  • Craig

    Exactly, I would say that 70% of my theatrical viewings this year have been 3/5 or higher. I’m lucky that I have an independent/Art House cinema within 10 miles of where I live so that helps.

    I don’t go an see any old shit like Frank does though, so I’m not surprised he thinks the quality is dwindling.

  • Mark Stevens

    I see Frank once again proves he is bugnuts crazy. His criticisms of TOY STORY 4 are just plain pathological nitpicking.

  • Carlos Roberto

    He’s right tho

  • Carlos Roberto

    “I honestly think the comicbook bubble is gonna burst soon, and we’re gonna see a renaissance of self-contained original blockbusters”

    You’re naive. There will be even more comic-book movies in the future, just like remakes and reboots.

  • Hathaway

    Want to save cinema? Headphone sockets so I don’t have to listen to people talking, eating or laughing a lame jokes

  • stevens1

    Frank’s generalisations were out of control in that cinema discussion. You can definitely here the difference when Jay isn’t around. And Colin? He was ok. Didn’t contribute much in terms of the TS4 review or much other insight, he was pretty quiet all in all.

  • OsoDuck

    Theater is ancient so I’m not sure cinema can completely go away. Hollywood might fall apart but there will be someone else around to pick up the pieces at some point. That, or we’ll go back to traditional stage productions. I admit though, it’s gonna be tough to remake Avatar for the stage.

    Japan is off to a good start, at least.

  • welyyt

    It’s definitely not gonna last forever.

  • stevens1

    A big oversight in that New York Times article was an absence of anyone from the theatrical side of the business. They raise some interesting counterpoints here:

  • Jr

    Putting my theater opinion in: I LOVE going to the movies. I’ll go to see almost anything just because I like going. Maybe the theaters where I live don’t have the problems that other areas do. It’s definitely nostalgic. I also think it’s hyperbolic to say that everything in major theaters is crap.

  • Lior

    Jay should’ve been on this discussion about the future of cinema, a wasted opportunity… although one can guess what his opinions are, but as the only one of the group who is an active filmmaker, it would’ve been interesting to hear his thoughts. What is it like being a filmmaker in a world that slowly replaces cinema with “content”?
    My quick 2 cents: I think the theatrical experience, at least in the multiplex, has been compromised to a degree where I’m not sure it can bounce back (presentation issues, smartphone pollution), but there are still good movies coming out. I think film will still remain a valid art form for years to come, appreciated both by the connoisseur of quality cinema and by the connoisseur of genre schlock. The transition we are seeing is among the mainstream audience, who always gravitated towards the blockbuster type of movie. This audience is consuming a diet of comic book/giant franchise movies and YouTube. Only time will tell how the generation not familiar with a world without internet will shape the future of the making and experiencing of movies (not “consuming”)

    I cannot believe Sean actually has to sit there and explain The Hidden to the others! This was one of the most noteworthy horror noirs of the late 80’s, and it should be as famous as, I dunno, Prince of Darkness? Naked Lunch? Maybe that’s the difference a name director makes. But the fact it’s largely forgotten is rather sad.

  • Lior

    I can’t wait for Stage Junk!

  • gibson8
  • Lior

    Yeah, and there are other similar articles… putting new releases especially behind pay walls will just drive people back to torrents. Who wants to pay and browse through 18 subscription services?

  • gibson8

    Back to the library for the junkers…of course Frank will get the Disney streaming service.

  • Lior

    I guess we will have to wait and see how all this goes down. But for sure, if new releases are only available on a select subscription service, and Joe Schmo is already subscribed to three of those but not to this one, and he really wants to see this movie, he will torrent it. Netflix and Amazon already have exclusives to entice viewers (similar to video games console strategy), and for the most part this strategy works, but what happens when you multiple this by ten fold? I am especially miffed that 20th Century Fox movies will apparently now only be available behind the Disney pay wall. Like, the entire catalog of an entire studio that was independent until not too long ago. That is insane.

    You wanna have free access to movies on your own terms, you gotta go physical media. That’s the only answer.

  • gibson8

    Frank without Jay has a tendency to believe his own hype. Dax was even attempting to call him on his bullshit which is some effort for laidback Dax. All the ‘cinema is dead’ stuff can be attributed to aging. The guys were right about youtube making people only consume moments of art. I wonder if those millenials who dont watch movies also don’t read?

  • Beat_C

    that’s true, and it means that physical media could benefit from this whole situation. i for one am certainly not going to subscribe to more than 1 or 2 services (1 of them being the criterion channel – i hope it will come to europe at some point).

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