Film Junk Podcast Episode #664: Hereditary and Ocean’s 8


0:00 – Intro
8:25 – Review: Hereditary
38:50 – Review: Ocean’s 8
1:01:10 – Other Stuff We Watched: Jurassic World, Thoroughbreds, Ocean’s Trilogy, Won’t You Be My Neighbor?, Psychokinesis
1:27:10 – This Week on DVD and Blu-ray
1:29:35 – Outro
1:31:55 – Spoiler Discussion: Hereditary
1:58:10 – Spoiler Discussion: Ocean’s 8

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  • schizopolis

    Hey Frank, how far have you gotten on HQ?

  • devolutionary

    If you prefer, you can save it for GameJunk but Frank, you didn’t find watching 2 rando’s tapping their screens for 20 minutes playing Mobile Command and Conquer exciting? ;) EA’s E3 showing was laughable, but not Nintendo 2015 levels.

  • devolutionary

    Classic Frank. Speaking on behalf of what kids everywhere didn’t like or were forced to watch.
    “Dontcha be my neighbour!”

  • Lori Cerny

    An American here to chime in. I watched Mr. Dress Up, BUT I am close to the Canadian border, so may have watched it on CFTO or CBC.

    Mr. Rogers was boring, but there is a narrow age-range he did appeal to. I mean, obviously, because we all knew who he was, the lyrics to the song, the characters, and what the show was about, so we all must have watched it – at least for a little while.

  • Indianamcclain

    I agree with Frank that I was with Hereditary up until the ending. Just felt like I’ve seen that type of ending many times as of late. However, the majority of the film was effective.

  • Lori Cerny

    Thank you guys for the great discussion about both films.


    Don’t think anyone mentioned that Annie (Collette) was in reality trying to protect /prevent her children from carrying on the family curse while also battling her genetic inclinations to worship Paimon. That was a subtle and clever revelation that immediately reminded me of the best of Shyamalan.

    Peter was Annie’s biological son as she tried to abort him and failed. She kept him away from the grandmother when he was a baby, which is why Peter wasn’t influenced.

    There is something very creepy about the grandmother wanting to breastfeed Charly, which could be why the daughter was susceptible to the occult. I think Charly was harboring Paimon within her until her death. The seance ( a ruse by Joanie to contact “Charly”) brought King Paimon back who was then harbored in Annie until Peter was killed.

    Decapitations are an offering to Paimon.

  • Tim

    re: Game Junk. Did any of you play the latest generation Wolfenstein games, or Doom? Don’t remember these being covered in last year annual Game Junk episode.

  • Tim

    re: Mr. Rogers show. You guys might lose alot of American listeners due to Frank’s rant. I could see alot of us neo-libs and progressive listeners siding with Trump and boycotting Canadian podcasts for this one.

    Frank (for sure) and Sean (likely) are putting Mr. Rogers show in the wrong context vis-a-vis targeted age range for Mister Rogers Neighborhood, which, as the Wikipedia page helpful points out, “is aimed primarily at preschool ages 2 to 5.”

    Maybe for some modern context – basically if you just aged out of Teletubbies and have some language aptitude, but before you graduated kindergarten, Mr. Rogers was your jam.

    You would learn things like how to tie your shoes, why it’s good to be nice, that everyone gets lonely and sad. If you were impatiently channel surfing between talk shows, 700 Club, and Mr. Rogers Neighborhood, you were too old for the show.

    For alot of Americans, Mr. Rogers is emotionally imprinted on us at toddler-age memories like a surrogate parent. Thus as I understand it there is alot of crying during screenings of this doc.

    Frank, you need to calm down though. This shouldn’t be so important to you that you starts talking fast and loud like Joe Pesci in Goodfellas. :-) But we know, we know – you doesn’t really care if you were objectively right or wrong, it was just for good podcasting!

  • Kyle Grimes

    Sorry Jay but you’re definitely in the wrong here. The T-shirts need to be white. But I also agree not shitty quality white tees

  • nate_austin75

    Sean and Jay, even though both of you were underwhelmed by Thoroughbreds, I appreciate the discussion about it, thanks!

  • Mister Quigley Jr.

    Mr. Rogers was boring??! That man is a mother-fucking treasure, and I want to fight all of you. Over a decade spent listening and this feels like a slap in the face. Take your Mr. Pull-up Pants or whatever the fuck you watched and get bent.

    Other than that, great episode gentlemen, and Frank.

  • Indianamcclain

    As a kid I did think it was boring. The same goes for Sesame Street. As an adult I can appreciate Mr. Rogers as a kind hearted man, but at the time that didn’t mean much to me from an entertainment standpoint.

  • James

    “We are looking for ways to include fan participation”
    HOW many weeks is it now with no Junk Mail?

  • Sean

    Interesting point about the emotional imprinting thing. I guess that’s what surprised me most was the overwhelming emotional attachment people had to Mr. Rogers as opposed to just the fact that they watched the show. But I guess maybe I should just watch the documentary. :)

  • Marc

    Frank, do you officially endorse star ratings based on first time viewings under the influence of sedatives(i.e. benzos) as legitimate movie evaluations for Filmjunk?

  • Jameson

    I loved Hereditary but at this point I wonder if A24 is surprised by the D+ Cinemscore/hatred from mainstream audiences given the audience reception to The VVitch and It Comes At Night.

  • Beat_C

    totally agree. anything but a black drawing on a white t-shirt would be egregious.

  • Beat_C

    i already saw “jurassic world: fallen kingdom” (it’s been out in europe for a week), and frank, let me tell you, you’re going to appreciate the predecessor once you’ve seen it. ????

  • Oso Jugo

    Is it enjoyable enough if you just want an excuse to go to the movies for a day?

  • Beat_C

    well, i don’t know your taste, but i didin’t find anything enjoyable or fun about it whatsoever.

  • Brian.M
  • Oso Jugo


  • MartyMcFlyJr

    Sean, I think Andy Garcia is supposed to be number 13 in part three. It’s hard to say he’s an official member of the crew but he helps them out IIRC.

  • Sean

    That is true, but Tess isn’t in this one and Saul is sidelined for most of the movie. There are a couple of other people who kind of help, so maybe it all balances out? It’s kinda confusing though.

  • MartyMcFlyJr

    ah right. Forgot Julia Roberts wasn’t even in that one.

  • avclub69

    Spot on I think. It’s possible that the grandmother was able to perform some ritual with Charlie that she wasn’t able to with Peter, so Charlie was likely Paimon her entire life, just unknowingly. Signs like the bird hitting the window and the grandmother burning in the field could be revelations to try to awaken Paimon.

    Another interesting piece is that Annie’s uncle starved himself to death, possibly meaning that Ellen attempted to bring Paimon into him but he was not vulnerable and took his own life in opposition.


    Is funny how you score so high a movie that all you clearly had problems understanding. I was so disappointed with it, never felt any horror vibe, I just found it uncomfortable to watch, the final act was terrible in my opinion, a lot of unanswered questions, so for me was a bad movie.

    I downloaded this specific episode cause I wanted to understand why critics had loved it, but none of them can really express that in detail (cause of spoilers) si here I am, listening to three guys that supposedly liked it a lot yet I get that neither of you really understood the movie, you al ended up with the same questions, so, I don’t get you at all.

    Oh, and in ocean’s 8, An Hathaways character did find out before the heist and gets in, but only Bullock and Blanchett know, and they reveal it at the end to the rest of the group, but she’s part of the gang by that point.