Film Junk Podcast Episode #651: The Dark Crystal


0:00 – Intro
15:15 – Retro Review: The Dark Crystal
57:50 – Headlines: Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald Trailer
1:06:30 – Other Stuff We Watched: Derren Brown: The Push (SPOILERS start at 1:19:50 and end at 1:36:10), O.J. Simpson: The Lost Confession, Voyeur, Paradise Lost: The Child Murders at Robin Hood Hills, Paradise Lost 2: Revelations, Atlanta Monster, Love: Season 3, United 93, Serpico, Stop Making Sense
1:59:00 – Junk Mail: Eli Roth vs. James Wan, Hans Zimmer’s Wal-Mart Commercial, Predicting Ready Player One Box Office + Tarantino Collaborations, Most Influential Films of the Past 20 Years, Surround Sound System Tips, Toronto Drive-In Locations, Music Listening Habits
2:30:10 – This Week on DVD and Blu-ray
2:31:45 – Outro

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  • Darryl Bowen

    saw this in theaters recently for the Fathomevent and they had some behind the scenes stuff before with Jim Hensons daughter I think it was. They said originally the skeksis didn’t speak English and just spoke their own language. Lots of hissing and screeching. Test audiences hated it and they just dubbed voices over. Knowing that there are a lot of moments where it’s noticeable.

    Makes me wonder how much changed with the Gelfling and if there were more or less internal monologue originally.

  • Darryl Bowen

    also I’m pretty sure the crystal room set and the giant crab creatures were reused for 86′ Invaders From Mars

  • Fletcher Thomas

    Retro review good time! More retro review please! Goonies Yes!

  • Indianamcclain

    Could we ever be treated to retro reviews of Dragonslayer, or The Hidden?

  • Lori Cerny

    For me, 2/5 for The Dark Crystal. It is just too ugly and drab.

  • Darryl Bowen


  • Sean

    I was actually very close to watching Dragonslayer last week but I ran out of time. And I have The Hidden on Blu-ray. But yeah, the tricky thing with these retro reviews is figuring what to review and when to review it.

  • Sean

    That actually makes a lot of sense.

  • Scott Adcock

    (I’d join a discord)
    (I enjoy nostalgia porn)

  • Sam

    Definitely love the idea of more retro reviews. Also would have been nice to get a Paddington 2 review in a down week of new releases

  • Corey Pierce

    I married into Harry Potter / Wizarding World obsessiveness and have gradually been overtaken, going from “I like these OK” to being all in on Fantastic Beasts, ask me anything :P

    To the discussion:
    1. While these stories are new/don’t come from books, a number of the events that happen are pre-established from the Potter books. Particularly Grindlewald and Dumbledore, and Scamander as a Hogwarts student/Dumbledore protege. So Frank’s complaints that the series is dipping into that are is like complaining that Gollum is in The Hobbit movies.
    Grindlewald was Voldemort before Voldemort, and his rise and fall is the biggest event that precedes the events of the Potter books, so it would be crazy to just have this stuff happening somewhere overseas away from these stories. It would be like You’ve Got Mail taking place during 9/11.

    2. Frank may not like him, but I’m big on Kowalski, even have a shirt of his bakery I got at the Potter convention I had to attend (really, I had no choice, but enjoyed anyways) in Ireland last fall. Where Dan Fogler was there. And trust me, they love the fuck out of this guy and his character. So much fan merch. A Coulson to Frank but not me. He works to me not just as comic relief, but as an audience surrogate. In the Potter books, you learn all the crazy shit through Harry, who is also seeing them for the first time. Newt Scamander and everyone else already know this stuff, so Kowalski allows for exposition and for there to be a sense of wonder/discovery in someone’s eyes.

    3. What fans are freaking out about regarding the trailer is actually the shots of them apparating into Hogwarts. Which has long been established as something that can’t be done. But I assume the movie shows exactly why that rule was started.

    4. The “Wizarding World” phrase has been around forever. Like, the Wizarding World theme park came out in 2010. And the Pottermore website which has all those extra pieces of writing that extends the universe. I see the WW logo on the spines on a ton of books Nikki has. This is just a new logo.

    I get why not everyone is on board, but I’m significantly more interested in seeing the WW expand than whatever the next Marvel phase is.

  • devolutionary

    Jack Sholder certainly shouldered the load on that one. The Hidden’s quite solid although I don’t get the cult obsession with it. Elevated B-movie? The sequel is outright terrible though.

  • Bob Page

    Oh yeah, a Discord server would be sweet. Would love to connect with some filmjunk gamers – does an server exist already? Do we need to request an invite?

  • Sean

    The Game Junk one is here:

    We haven’t set up a FJ-specific one as of yet.

  • Kyle Grimes

    Tons of great score talk this episode. Makes me want another score bits showdown soon

  • Beat_C

    yeah, i’m down with retro reviews as well. but a heads-up the week before would be great.

  • Kay Dizzle

    I’m all for switching up the reviews. The movies being released nowadays are…kinda boring. Take the top 250 on IMDB, and just randomize it. There are some really good flicks made before the 1980 that haven’t been reviewed. Keep it up guys you are great!

  • parapa

    As I recall Darren Brown did that russian roulette stunt on live tv. Also pretty questionably fake, like many of his programs:

  • Anonymous

    “Spielberg’s head is being held on by a scarf” where does Frank come up with this brilliance?

  • Tommy

    Y’all pussed out on reviewing Hurricane Heist? Pfft.

  • bendoofus

    5. The first film SUCKED.

  • pcch7

    Definitely need an FJ server too. You guys could probably be discord partners

  • pcch7

    I like the idea of retro reviews or re-reviews of films you might have changed your mind on. Like I wouldn’t mind a re-review of Sunshine for example, unless you’re gonna do a Danny Boyle premium at some point.

  • welyyt

    Retro reviews are a great idea, you should totally do more.

  • KylG

    For new releases to review, My Friend Dahmer or Thoroughbreds might be interesting.

  • Andrew Lincoln

    I’m all for more frequent retro reviews. Especially during the drive-in off season.

  • Kevin Cardoza

    Put me as another vote for more retro reviews. While sometimes ripping a movie to shreds can be entertaining, I feel like more often than not (like a few episodes last year), the movie is just so generic and forgettable that you can feel the lack of energy in the room as everyone tries to talk about a movie nobody liked and nobody even wanted to see in the first place. Don’t turn Film Junk into an obligation for all of you.

  • Corey Pierce

    I’m convinced. Thanks for the insight, cupcake.

  • Craig

    Has Game Night opened in Canada? As it’s one of the few good mainstream studio comedies in the last few years, it’s worth a review.

  • Skootch

    Retro reviews rock. Keep doing em.

  • Mister Quigley Jr.

    Reviewing The Dark Crystal seemed like something characters from Ready Player One would do, but eff me if that wasn’t great. All aboard the Retro Review Train for those weekends when you feel like skipping the newest CGI wank and waiting for sweet baby 4k blu.

  • iammattz

    Great episode guys, loving the retro review – definitely would like to hear more like this!

  • Oso Jugo

    Do Bill and Ted’s Bogus Journey!!

  • Kevin Cardoza

    I forgot to add on your discussion re: Push. Based on Derren Brown’s past specials and from what I’ve heard during recording, things tend to be reduced to increase dramatic effect. So, the parts that feel like they escalate too quickly might not be staged, but they also aren’t showing you a lot of steps in-between. (I wouldn’t be surprised if the night lasted a lot longer than the 90 minutes they claim.)

    As for the pop psychology stuff involving “subliminal messaging”, that’s definitely BS. Derren Brown doesn’t like claiming paranormal powers so the “secret messaging” is just a replacement diversionary tactic for what are pretty standard mentalist tricks. See below for a prime example.