Film Junk Podcast Episode #646: The Cloverfield Paradox


0:00 – Intro: Frank vs. LG
22:05 – Review: The Cloverfield Paradox
1:04:45 – Headlines: Solo: A Star Wars Story Trailer, Mission: Impossible – Fallout Trailer, Poptheatr Kickstarter
1:24:20 – Other Stuff We Watched: Silver Linings Playbook, The Staircase, Altered Carbon, Crocodile Dundee
1:47:45 – Junk Mail: Our Most Anticipated Movies of 2018, Sicario 2, Why No Love for Documentaries?, Quentin Tarantino’s Defense of Roman Polanski, Going Blu + Best Premium Episodes
2:26:15 – This Week on DVD and Blu-ray
2:28:15 – Outro
2:30:10 – Spoiler Discussion: The Cloverfield Paradox

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  • This episode has 22 minutes of Frank vs. LG

  • schizopolis

    I feel for ya Frank. I’ll never buy a TV from Costco. Over Xmas, I helped my cousin unbox and set up her 55″ Samsung 4K MU850D and shit was missing. The box was sealed and there was no remote and the smart hub inside was for a different tv. So we had to drive back to Costco and return it. After complaining to customer svc, all she got for her troubles was a $10 gift card.

    Bottom line, who knows what knockdown TVs Costco is distributing and selling to their customers. I’m pretty sure that models sold in Costco are only available through them. Last year I tried to price match at Best Buy my 4K Samsung since I noticed Costco’s from cheaper. Nope. Best Buy showed me the model number and it was slightly different by 1 or 2 last digits.

  • Joachim Lothe-Rikenberg

    Just listen podcasts on a different app or something. Why u Americans sosattached to ur brands and shit. Fuck Apple.

  • Essie

    Thank you for the show. I was surprised Frank didn’t defend QT but I liked it. Sean, I think it is super important to bring to light things that enable rape culture from our most influential people. But I do know what you mean about scanning over anything has ever said. No one I know of is like calling for QT to be jailed or executed though. We are just having a discussion about what these powerful men tell the world.

    Love the show so much as always. Thank you! Please Disney renaissance premium one day?

  • Kyle

    The Stern interview is from 2003, not 2013.

  • Campbelldropout

    Agree with Frank on two items. Apple’s podcast app sucks. Any recommendations for another app? As for Netflix monetizing the views, they are most likely pulling data on the users and the viewing habits. It also gives them feedback on how low the bar can be and what people will still watch. If you watched this then youll love watching our two seasons of stranger things.

  • Sean

    That makes a bit more sense. Thanks for the correction!

  • Newtman98

    Overboard is a good romantic comedy from the 80’s

  • LordAwesome

    No Reed? Fuuuuuuuu….

  • LordAwesome

    Apple Podcasts is complete trash. I switched to Overcast. It isn’t perfect but it’s fast, responsive and doesn’t crash. The biggest issue I have with it is you can’t play episodes from the new episodes menu so when you see you have a new episode of a cast you have to go into its individual menu to play it. Not a deal breaker but an inconvenience.

  • devolutionary

    There are tons, but there’s just a handful of good free ones. I stick with TuneIn for general webradio/podcast needs because of its versatility. Otherwise, I’d recommend Stitcher, Overcast, PodWrangler, or Podbean,. If I’m quickly looking up archived FJ shows, I stick with Podbean.

  • bendoofus

    There’s a good frank v jay argument at the beginning of the Friday the 13th premium

  • LordAwesome

    The M:I-F trailer has 11m views compared to 8.3m for Solo.

    Yeah baby.

  • Kyle Grimes

    It should be a requirement for Sean, Jay, or Frank to record all customer service interactions. Not for quality assurance, but for our entertainment and so Jay can call Frank out.

  • Sean

    I actually considered inviting him but there wasn’t enough notice and he doesn’t have internet to watch Netflix.

  • Sean

    Nice. The international audience came back with a vengeance!

  • pcch7

    22 minuter intro? This is gonna be good

  • schizopolis

    I agree with most of the criticisms of Alden Ehrenreich for the Solo trailer. But, we’re all judging him as if he’s been cast in a Harrison Ford biopic, instead of playing the character Han Solo.

    I remember Lawrence Kasdan said in an Empire podcast interview years ago, that he was interested in a story about what made Han Solo the character we know now. So I guess, Ehrenreich doesn’t have to play Solo like he was in A New Hope.

  • Lori Cerny

    The Death of Cinema has leaked over into the Death of Retail. Everything is going digital, digital, digital.

  • What model is Frank’s tv?

  • devolutionary

    Pretty sure it was the LG C7 series. Mentioned last week. Or this:

  • MartyMcFlyJr

    Mudbound did get Oscar nominations.

  • Sean

    Yeah it got a few but it was overlooked for big categories and in particular Best Picture, even though there was an empty spot to fill.

  • pcch7

    I have never liked LG, feels like they’re not on the same level as Panasonic or Samsung for example. That customer service sounds dreadful and I hope Frank goes livid on them and records it

  • Lior

    Bear MacCreary also did the score for 10 Cloverfield Lane, with the same violin motif. I liked it there and I liked it here. The opening titles were also similiar to the previous movie, so it was a nice touch and I also liked the opening montage, possibly the best bit in the movie.

    I actually thought production values on The Cloverfield Paradox were better than your average Sci-Fi TV show (even though if you watch ST Discovery you know they’re getting better). The film’s issues are with the script, not the production design, effects or direction. I thought all these were pretty decent.

    But what are those worth when there is no suspense or emotional involvement?


    Specificially there is a scene where few of the crew members have to leave the station and go into space on order to fix a faulty part that puts their lives in danger. It reminded me of that scene in Sunshine, where several crew members have to step outisde into cold space – but where in Sunshine that scene was gripping ans intense, here, despite having impressive visual effects (done by ILM, no less), it falls flat. A crew member sacrfices himself, and you feel nothing. That’s a problem.

    If anybody wants to try a good story involving a space station and a dissappearing Earth, try Roger MacBride’s Allen novel The Ring of Charon.

  • Craig

    I’m still downloading the podcast on Itunes (I’m holding onto an Ipod Classic) and haven’t had any problem with FJ.

  • Jake

    Indeed it was. Now get ready for it to be ruined

    April’s just around the corner:

  • Carlos

    As far as favorite premiums go, mine might be ‘The Exorcist’. Hearing Jay’s love of part 3, followed by his complete hate for the prequels is always a good listen. Also, calling out Sean for being a ‘cool guy/hero’ because of his appreciation of the Iraq intro cracks me up every time.

    Would love to hear a Harmony Korine premium before ‘Beach Bum’

    Thanks for another great podcast!

  • Beat_C

    i thought the same thing: sci-fi movie with ziyi zhang in it? this screams reed. maybe we’ll get his thought another time.

  • Beat_C

    i watched two episodes of “altered carbon” and thought it was quite bad, redundant, boring and – as sean points out – full of awful performances. i will not continue.

  • Andrew Lincoln

    I can’t believe Reed still doesn’t have Internet at his house. Wait, yes, I very much do believe it.

  • Tim

    Harmony Korine premium? YASSSSSSS. Get Jay out of the superhero ghetto and into the Gummo tub!

  • Tim

    They are different model numbers, but same tech. I bought a Panasonic plasma from BB in 2010 at a nice discount and 8 years later not a pixel is out and those inky blacks are as rich and dark as… well, they are as dark as a black hole.

  • Lori Cerny

    All great points.

  • Kevin Cardoza

    Once again, Frank is the one who knows what he’s talking about.

    1) Netflix is on the record saying that the same algorithm that determines your recommended section is the one where they use the information of how many people watch what kinds of content and for how long and use it to decide how much to offer for contracts. Back when they started, they indeed just paid providers based on how many people watched each show/movie on the service on the backend.

    2) I agree with Frank: People like watching shit and I don’t think the quality of content on Netflix helps as much as the quantity. Again, this is why Netflix removed the star system, because they noticed that the content people claimed was “good” and the content they actually watched every day were different. They will claim that they think The Godfather is high quality but will choose binge-watching a corny sci-fi show over it most times. This is also why a lot of people used to complain that Netflix would constantly recommend movies that it also thought you would give 2 or 3 stars to.

  • Sean

    As far as I know, the terms of various Netflix deals are a closely guarded secret, but the general assumption is that there isn’t really a backend payout. Maybe there used to be… I guess that would be more like a Spotify pay per play model. I agree that they probably look at viewing stats as a basis for how much to offer upfront though. This article kind of addresses it:

    The quality issue is a bit trickier. I do think that people watch a lot of crap and stuff like Mudbound probably gets very little views in comparison. It’s just like people renting a disc from Netflix back in the day and having it sit on their coffee table for months. They aspire to watch acclaimed, artistic films, but when it comes down to it, it just feels like work so they don’t bother.

    That being said, bad high profile movies like The Cloverfield Paradox generate bad press for Netflix and hurt their brand. They may not lose subscribers as a result, but they won’t drive new subscribers and it could have an effect on whether filmmakers want to bring their content to the service in the long run.

  • Nobody

    I think Okja is an interesting movie to bring up when discussing Netflix because it doesn’t fit into a certain category as clearly as other offerings. Although I’d love to see a movie like that get a big theatrical push, it’s easy to see why it went the Netflix route. Bong Joon-ho had creative freedom on a $50 million movie that probably wouldn’t find an audience in theatres. I’m curious how many people watched it.

  • I like Pocketcasts and Podkicker. But there are tons.

  • Have you guys actually seen The Age of Adeline? The young Harrison Ford in those few moments is pretty uncanny. I think this guy could’ve pulled it off.

  • wosko

    totally agree mate, great call!

  • Pocketcasts is my favorite. Simple yet full featured. While I don’t run Film Junk beyond 1x speed (no need to speed up a good Jay rant) I love that you can do 1.3x or whatever speed you want. Only app I’ve spent more than $1 on and oi was 100% worth it.

  • Sam

    I also use Pocketcasts…have used a ton of the podcast apps and Pocketcasts has easily been the best one.