Film Junk Podcast Episode #564: Captain America: Civil War

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0:00 – Intro
16:26 – Review: Captain America: Civil War
1:33:50 – Headlines: Justin Lin to Direct Space Jam 2, Alden Ehrenreich is Young Han Solo
1:51:08 – Other Stuff We Watched: Chappie, Captain America: The Winter Soldier, De Palma, Contemporary Color, Tony Robbins: I Am Not Your Guru, Special Correspondents, Zootopia
2:17:50 – Junk Mail: Revisiting and Ranking Star Wars: The Force Awakens, Changing Letterboxd Favourite Films, Logging Your Own Movie on Letterboxd, Ghostbusters 3D Trailer Effect, Buying a House
2:35:40 – This Week on DVD and Blu-ray
2:43:30 – Outro
2:49:00 – Spoiler Discussion: Captain America: Civil War

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  • Jay Cheel

    First off, not liking Civil War does not mean I, or we, don’t like “these types” of movies. Even within the Marvel “bubble”, I’ve liked a handful of films: Iron Man, Iron Man 3, Guardians of the Galaxy…I even slowly came around on The Avengers (although I still don’t love it.)

    I’ve also liked/loved many comic book movies outside of the MCU: Spider-Man, Spider-Man 2, X2, X-Men: First Class, X-Men: Days of Future Past, The Dark Knight, Batman (1989), Batman Returns, Superman, Superman II, Superman III, Superman Returns, Blade II, Hellboy, Hellboy II, Dredd, etc.

    We’ve also liked/loved multiple big budget action/sci-fi blockbusters that fall outside of the comic book superhero sub-genre.

    Stating that our dislike for Civil War is a symptom of our general distaste for blockbusters simply isn’t true.

    I will admit that I’m generally not interested in THIS TYPE of bloated, plot driven, overly complicated, overly long, self-serious blockbuster. I only talk/think about these films because I’m forced to for the show. I’m often zoning out as I watch them. I am either unable or unwilling — you decide — to keep track of the numerous plot threads. I am uninterested in the large overarching plot lines that connect them. If I were given a test on the various plots/characters in these movies, I would FAIL. I simply don’t care enough to engage them on anything more than a causal viewing level.

    I care about exploring/thinking about/talking about the plot/characters of these films about as much as you care about exploring/talking about/thinking about the stories/subjects of the Hot Docs films which were discussed on this episode.

    Having said that, I’m VERY much looking forward to X-Men: Apocalypse and Suicide Squad.

  • Jay Cheel

    P.S. None of this discounts the possibility that I might revisit Winter Soldier and Civil War back to back in a home setting and discover a new perspective/appreciation for them that was missed upon first viewing.

  • Bill

    Very fair response.

    Can’t wait to see HtBaTM.

  • Indianamcclain

    For anyone that listens to the show this goes without saying. I personally find it refreshing to get a different perspective on a film that I liked, didn’t love.

    Also, nice to see you mention Superman Returns.

  • Adam

    Fair enough

  • No one important

    I only watched Batman vs Spiderman and Captain America : Civil War because I knew you guys were going to review it, because I genuinely like to hear you guys talk film. But it seems you are reviewing the films to keep the audience happy.. This audience member would prefer you to just avoid the movies if you don’t want to watch them. This audience member wants more retro reviews like the Project X episode.

    I’m totally over these super hero movies and it’s because I have type 2 diabeighties ( type 2 includes the nineties ). Back in the eighties and nineties we had the franchise and its mostly mediocre barrage of sequels. And that formula worked well because the studios were constantly trying to create new things to garner that new fan base because existing franchises had limited life expectancies as far as drawing in big bucks. There was so much variety of stuff to watch. Memorable franchises included… Childs play, Nightmare on elm st, Halloween, Friday the 13th, Lethal weapon, Die hard, Predator, Gremlins, Ghostbusters, Waynes world, Rambo, Beverly hills cop , Alien, Mighty ducks, Evil dead, Indiana Jones, Short circuit, Death wish, Under siege, Robocop, Rocky, Terminator, Back to the future, The Fly, Maniac Cop, American Ninja and probably a whole heap more.

    Now we only seem to have the marvel super hero stuff, the generic horror series or the ultra safe teen fiction adaptations (like hunger games, potter, maze runner). I find it so hard to be excited about any of these.

  • Rorschach’s Diner

    That’s not the point they were trying to make. Being called “Sharon Carter” in the credits but never referred to that on screen means to the average viewer there is no tension building waiting for Steve to discover the news the audience is already in on. Even Dax couldn’t accurately answer the question and he is a “Marvel or Bust” type of fan.

  • Balls

    Frank has been called worse by better people.

  • Balls

    Other than the camera work being a little chaotic to the point where I thought the projector was running too fast, I had a blast watching this movie. To me, it was pure popcorn fun. 2 Balls out of 2.

  • Anthony

    “That’s not the point they were trying to make.”

    That was exactly the point they were trying to make. Now you’re retconning what they were talking about. Kind of what they’re criticizing Marvel of doing.

  • Sloth

    I believe it is pointless to explore the ideas and themes of a film or documentary if you have not seen them yet. Most of the Hot Docs you mentioned are not widely available yet and the Tony Robbins doc sounded interesting to me but that is all i can say about the film at this time.

  • Strybeck

    One of the films new on Blu-Ray this week you mentioned is “The Little Girl Who Lives Down the Lane.” I would recommend that one – I gave it a 4.5/5 when I saw it. It’s a 1976 Canadian film starring Jodie Foster as a 13-year old girl who’s parents are mysteriously never home. She appeared in 5 films that year – also Taxi Driver and Freaky Friday. Judging by her filmography that looks like the year she broke into films for good after mainly being a child TV actress.

  • kyri

    just curious .. what on earth is Reed ..reading? srsly.. Star Trek news?

  • Hopefully Disney would let an idea like this breathe if it came to their desks… I feel like there will need to be more serious side stories produced before comedies come to pass, but hopefully someday. Robot Chicken has good fun with some of the smaller side characters in the OT, maybe they could get involved! Our just get the Christopher Guest crew on board…

  • pineapplepuss

    just wondering why Frank said that the Sharon Carter character only appeared 1 time in Winter Soldier (at the end, firing a gun) just to set up her appearance in Civil War as a somewhat “important” character, when she actually had about 4 scenes in Winter Soldier.

  • pineapplepuss

    it’s also unfair to criticize a movie when he admits to falling asleep during it (although one could argue that a movie is boring enough to put you to sleep) or he left to go get some protein in the middle of it (see what I did there? I purposely mispronounced a word like Jay does ALL THE TIME)

  • Sean

    I think he was saying they threw in a pointless scene at the end just to remind you again who she was because she was going to carry through to the next movie. But I could be wrong.

  • xenobuzz

    Yeah, I couldn’t even finish listening to it. IMHO, this kind of tunnel vision is only a few degrees removed from people trying to claim that the Prequels are good films.

    It will be interesting to see if opinions start to change once the afterglow wears off.

  • Indianamcclain

    One issue I have that no one seems to talk about is character development. Guardians of the Galaxy, and Iron Man aside – I feel like I barely know any of these characters.

  • xenobuzz

    Agreed! They have a far bigger roster of characters than can be fully developed in a single film. Even the solo films have fallen short on this because these are also overstuffed for the build up to Infinity War.

    Even if the solo films were all well done, it would still be a challenge to remember all that crap by the time the next movie comes out. The fact that many of the solo films are fairly forgettable doesn’t help.

    As much as I like Paul Rudd, I still felt no interest at all in seeing the Ant-Man movie. I think Marvel is relying quite heavily on fan love and prior knowledge to fill in the blanks on a lot of these films, which is understandable.

    However, it leaves those unfamiliar frequently wondering what’s going on and why we should care.

  • Indianamcclain

    My problem is that they seem to be depending on prior knowledge of the comics. I’ve seen all the MCU films and yet I couldn’t tell you much about Captain America, Black Widow, Thor, Hawkeye, etc.

    On the /filmcast Jeff referred to the Spider-Man in Civil War as the best Spider-Man on film. I have no idea how he can say that because we barely get to know that character.

    It’s just getting on my nerves that people are praising mediocrity. And thanks to that praise Marvel isn’t going to stop and think “Maybe we should give more development to these characters” or “Maybe there’s too much plot” they’re going to continue to give people more of the same.

  • Predictable, stale, forced, Marvel trash

  • xenobuzz

    Agreed. Prior knowledge is going to be an even bigger problem going forward as you’ll have to have to read all the comics AND have seen all the previous films in order to grok what’s happening.

    I agree that the Spider-Man presented in Civil War is the best interpretation of the character in terms of how he moves and cracks wise during the airport fight. The prior scene with him and Stark I enjoyed because they didn’t do the origin story AGAIN.

    Whether he works on his own in his own movie remains to be seen. I like Tom Holland MUCH more than Tobey Maguire. Never saw Amazing 2. The first one was bad enough.

    I’m disappointed by the praise as well. It reminds of that Eddie Murphy routine where he’s talking about how sex seems more awesome when you haven’t had it in awhile: “If you starving, and somebody throw you a cracker, you gone be like: ‘THAT’S THE BEST CRACKER I EVER ATE IN MY LIFE CAN I HAVE ANOTHER PLEASE HAVE ONE MORE?!”

    The critical blinders people have on is just baffling. It reminds of the kind of intellectual disconnect many Star Wars fans have with the prequels. They try and try to justify the garbage being shoveled directly into their faces, and will simply not acknowledge the smell.

    It’s upsetting because due to the overwhelming critical and financial success, there is no reason for them to do anything different. We’ll get the same overstuffed, bland pretty confection that has almost no emotional or psychological heart beneath to give the pretty pictures any real feeling of weight or consequence.