Film Junk Podcast Episode #552: Deadpool

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0:00 – Intro
18:00 – Review: Deadpool
1:07:00 – Headlines: Wolverine 3 and X-Force Aiming for R-rating, Daredevil Season 2 Trailer
1:20:00 – Other Stuff We Watched: Zoolander 2, Hiroshima Mon Amour, Dracula Untold, Turbo Kid, Donald Trump’s The Art Of The Deal, When the Wind Blows, Maggie, Condorman, Kung Fu Panda 2, The Detective, End of Watch, Captain America: The Winter Soldier, Baskets, American Crime Story, Vinyl, Sullivan’s Travels
2:26:20 – Junk Mail: The Meaning of Hail Caesar, Cineplex Digital Film Fest Response + 4K Improvements on Old Movies, Quentin Tarantino’s Inspiration vs. Michael Bay’s Imitation, Tarantino’s Writing Credits vs. Director Credits, Steelbooks
3:06:15 – This Week on DVD and Blu-ray
3:09:05 – Outro

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  • Sean

    What is your set up for listening Andrew? When I edited this I bumped up the volume and listening back even now with headphones it seems fine. But I wonder if there are differences with those clips that are only noticeable when listening in mono or with a surround sound set up or something.

  • Sean

    Always interested, it’s really just a matter of timing. Do you guys have a date in mind yet?

  • Was listening through the speaker on my phone (mono) while doing chores around the house.

    Just tried streaming it now with my stereo speaker through my computer and I could hear it. But it was still really soft and “tinny”.

  • Sean

    Okay I will take a look and see if I can figure out why that might be.

  • Nick

    Sorry if I missed it, but what are you guys reviewing next week?

  • Sean

    The Witch

  • Kurt

    heh. nope. but that can be arranged.

  • I absolutely loved Turbo Kid. This is not just a 90 minute 80’s music video like Kung Fury was. As you said, it has heart, especially the character of Apple, ironically. Turbo Kid deserves to be elevated above all other throwback 80’s movies that are currently the trend.

  • Let’s not forget that Ryan Reynolds is Canadian and might be a fan of Sloan.

  • Jared from Subway

    Hey boys, it wasn’t me who sent the package, but I would loooooveeeeeee to send Frankie some of my own free download codes. Also, if yall like Hiroshima Mon Amour, you should check out Night and Fog, it’s great.

  • schizopolis

    $13.99 for Dracula Untold and hoping that it’s good?? Reminds me of the early 90’s when I’d buy a movie soundtrack and hope the one song or theme I loved in the movie is on the CD. Never again! Thank you, internet webs.

  • Glen

    Deadpool is what would happen if Reddit decided to make a movie.

  • Loren

    Timefoid / Twifoid – Timephus / Twiphus Fever

  • David Sarnecki

    You’re choosing arbitrarily to disqualify breaking the fourth wall and a hard R rating as being different. Like its nothing. Those two are everything to this character. You didn’t like them you’ve made that plain, but you’re confusing your lack of engagement with those elements with this argument. It’s why this movie has made more on its first weekend than the 70s paranoid political thriller and the space opera which almost count less as superhero movies than this because they’re clearly mostly trying to be Star Wars or whatever.

    You can’t just say “it claims it’s different but it follows all the usual tropes I call bullshit” when the usual tropes aren’t what what set it apart from the pack. It never claims that. In fact in the moment of that dialogue stuntman superstar and bear of the Revenant glenn ennis is being skewered. When talking about why the movie is different from the usual its directly referring to a brutal graphic murder. Your argument would make some kind of sense if Deadpool ever claimed it was going to mix up the story beats of the three act structure. At what point does it promise that??

  • Jay Cheel

    R rating is old news and has been done before (and better.) Breaking the fourth wall is one step away from a narrator.

    Either way, my biggest problem with Deadpool isn’t that it’s unoriginal. It’s that it’s unfunny, obnoxious, and uninspired. Originality isn’t a requirement for me to enjoy something, but it can become a talking point when a movie claims to be different, but really isn’t.

  • Nobody

    I’m shocked Frank hasn’t seen The Golden Child. “I-I-I-I-I want the knife.”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1bgBW9xx40

    I’m also in for the usb preorder.

    The Wolverine did indeed have a noticeably more violent extended version. The fight in the snow towards the end is restored, so Wolverine actually fights some ninjas instead of basically running away and getting arrows shot at him, and there’s a moment where the Yukio character grinds up some ninjas with a snow blower. They should’ve just released that version theatrically.

  • David Sarnecki

    Fine fine. Agree to disgree essentially. I would be interested to know what other super hero movies you would argue ARE different because based on the dismissal of Deadpool. By that logic Guardians is just Star Wars. Ant-Man is just Oceans 11.

  • Jay Cheel

    Batman: The Movie (1966), The Dark Knight, Unbreakable, Super, The Toxic Avenger, Robocop, The Watchmen, The Tick (TV Show),etc.

  • Sam

    But he said his problem was more that he didn’t find the character interesting/funny, the lack of originality was more of a talking a point.

    The difference between Deadpool and Guardians is he enjoyed the characters/story more in Guardians, original or not.

    He loves Krull for God’s sake. Originality doesn’t seem to be the primary issue.

  • Jameson

    I enjoyed Deadpool a bit more than you guys, but a lot of these points are valid. I definitely wanted the film to go further with its narrative approach and really earn that R rating. Maybe the sequel will be about Deadpool recognizing he’s in a mediocre superhero film and thus tries to kill the filmmakers.

  • Since I’m mainlining shows after getting back from vacation I’ll just put my comments here, since I’m not sure which show you said them on.
    In regards to screenings, DCP’s are generally pretty rare due to availability and cost. Generally for older titles DCP’s are only available if they’ve done some sort of re-master release for home video. They’ll make a DCP as part of that and make it available to help promote the home video release. It can vary based on who owns the rights, but that’s the general case.
    HD = Blu-ray in that listing you read off. If someone says they are having an HD presentation, it’s a Blu-ray. DCP’s are either 2K or 4K, and are never called HD. Digital is a word that scares me, as that is a catch-all term that could mean anything from a DVD, to some shitty VHS rip that’s been torrented to a DCP. Anything that is playing off of a disc or a hard drive is a digital presentation. They probably mean DCP, because it would be a total dick move to show a DVD for something like that, but using a vague term like that makes me wary.
    In regards to watching a 4K presentation in a theatre to see what a 4K Blu-ray would look like, that’s just fucking stupid. That’s like test driving a Harley to see what riding a tricycle would be like. Theatrical has entirely different standards than home video, and just one reason is that projecting on a movie screen is completely different from watching on a backlit TV. Foot-lamberts on entirely different scales (home video runs MUCH brighter than theatrical), viewing distance is completely different and sound standards are completely different and that’s just viewing experience. They have different encoding standards, different resolutions (4K Theatrical is a much higher resolution than 4K UHD), different bitrates and so on and so forth. They simply aren’t directly comparable outside of both using the term 4K.
    But hey, at least they have black cases, right?

  • Why not triple bill and toss in Runaway Train?

  • Speaking of pie, you coming to Flyway Jay?

  • I would love to hear a debate on the merits of a HD projector setup. I have one at home with a 100-inch screen and surround, and I’m never. going. back. I honestly think I’m going to skip 4K TVs and just wait for 4K projectors to become (relatively) affordable.

  • Andrew Dixon

    you guys are dumb if you don’t listen to matt

  • schizopolis

    “In regards to watching a 4K presentation in a theatre to see what a 4K Blu-ray would look like, that’s just fucking stupid.”

    Someone from the podcast is sweating about now.

  • Gerry

    4K Blu rays were originally going to be 4 layer (I needed a new blu ray drive for my PC so bought a cheap drive that could play the 4 layer blu rays) but then at the last minute they decided 4K blu rays would be 3 layer.

    You just know that in four years time they’re going to be re-releasing The Martian etc in super new 4 layer, mastered in 8k discs, with marginally better picture quality or just rejigged colours. This whole thing has rip off written all over it.

    People who upgrade their phones every 18 months because the new one has a marginally better camera have given greedy entertainment companies the idea that TV’s, discs and downloads are disposable and are ways of making money by making people re-buy them at regular intervals.

  • Andrew Dixon

    after he starts sweating.

  • devolutionary

    That seems to be fine logic to me. The interesting (good or bad) comic book movies are the ones that don’t focus on the superhero aspects. You can then evaluate them separately on the other genre or dramatic talking points they address.

  • That’s what I keep telling them!

  • pineapplepuss

    you say “it wasn’t funny” to every movie. I just picture you going to every movie with a blank look on your face.

  • pineapplepuss

    Jay’s shtick of mispronouncing names and telling stories that have nothing to do with anything (cotton candy) is getting old. Great show guys!

  • Jay Cheel

    Sounds about right.

  • Gripper Stebson

    The USB will be one of the best purchases I make this year, apart from the Occulus Rift and my new house.

    Would you consider making an Elite tier USB with all the Premium podcasts included? I’d happily shell out for that if it were an option.

  • But you say that as if you inherently have to buy the newest version… Why would they not continue to improve the medium? Better technology is developed every day, it’s up to the consumer when to upgrade.

  • I’m in for the preorder – a dollar per episode, right Jay? ;)

  • Gerry

    i’m all for improving the medium.

    The number of 8K TV’s at Japanese trade shows and the development of glasses-less 3D TV excites me no end.

    When 4K blu ray manufacturers enter into a cartel to withold a layer from 4K blu rays so they can re-fleece consumers down the road by releasing the same products ‘improved by utilising that extra layer (that is available from the get go)’ that pisses me off no end.

    They could have introduced HDR for 3D TV’s but they wanted to squeeze the maximum number of dollars from 3D TV’s, so sold them with one pair of expensive glasses, expecting the consumer to upgrade for extra pairs for the rest of their families at their own expense.

    They also assumed people would ditch perfectly good TV’s to buy 3D TV’s instead of buying one when their current TV’s stopped working.

    They could have put the emphasis on releasing passive 3D TV’s, but where’s the profit in letting people use the $1 3D glasses that they already own from seeing 3D films at the cinema.

    Innovation and development of technology excites the crap out of me, I’m a technophile.

    Fleecing the consumer does not excite me in the least.

  • Gotcha, I’m with you on that. It’s like game content being removed pre-launch to turn it into DLC.

  • Mark Stevens

    I’m in for your USB, but this is one of those weeks where (with the exception of Dax) you guys wouldn’t know a good movie if it walked up and bit you in the ass. Jay, you didn’t laugh once at DEADPOOL? You must be suffering from colonic distress again.

  • Mark Stevens

    Dax doesn’t have to apologize for liking DEADPOOL. (It’s the other doofuses who seem to be suffering from an overdose of cotton candy and pouttin, causing their critical faculties to head south.)

  • Mark Stevens

    Definitely, colonic distress.

  • Jay Cheel

    “this is one of those weeks where (with the exception of Dax) you guys wouldn’t know a good movie if it walked up and bit you in the ass.”

    Go ahead and ignore Hiroshima Mon Amour and When the Wind Blows.

  • Lisa Naarseth Myklebust

    He actually suffers from something called “experience”. You know, when you watch other movies than Hollywood blockbuster and expand your horizon over the wealth of movies from every country and every corner.– thereby widening your perspective of percieved quality in films, and making it easier to critically judge movies. In this case, seeing the shit film that Deadpool was — whereas others (regular blockbuster viewers, whose most “exotic” film experiences are Oscar-nominated movies) saw a great film.

    I actually thought he was too nice with the film, in terms of rating (I ended up giving it 1/10 myself). I found it atrocious. Not only boring, but also extremely bothersome and irritating; it’s basically two hours of Ryan Reynolds cracking one rehearsed joke after the other (0% made me laugh, as all of them were unnatural, “scripted” and “sitcom-like”). The story isn’t even worth discussing, as the POS that can be called a plot in this film is so simple that it can be summarized in a single paragraph. It only serves as groundwork for Ryan Reynolds to give us his fantastically unfunny comedy. Unfunny if you are over 14 years old, that is.

    And the comedy is excactly the same as it always has been with this guy. The same comedy from “Two Guys, a Girl and a Pizza Place” in 98′ to all of his college flicks the following decade. Only this time the subject is comic books, and all of the sudden everything becomes “amazing”. Kind of like how Chuck Lorre took his shitty writing skills with Two and a Half Men over to A Big Bang Theory, and changed the theme of his jokes from sex & alcohol to nerds and pop culture references. All of the sudden his comedy is hailed as a masterpiece, when in fact it is the same brainless garbage.

    Here’s a fun drinking when watching Deadpool. Take a drink whenever Reynolds:

    a) observes someone/something and makes a clearly rehearsed “offensive” comment on it/them.
    b) builds his jokes by making comparisons to stuff — pop culture references

    You want a true superhero comedy, watch Guardians of the Galaxy or Hellboy 2.

  • Lisa Naarseth Myklebust

    The day someone like him watches films like Hiroshim Mon Amour regularly, is the day hell freezes over.

    It’s easy to see why people love Deadpool. The diversity of films they watch isn’t very big to begin with.

  • Lisa Naarseth Myklebust

    The comparison to phones makes no sense whatsoever. First off, over the last few years phones have become better in many aspects (as I will show below). Secondly, camera improvements from generation to generation has never been bigger than what it has been the last year.

    1) CPU performance and NAND-performance: the increase has normally been 30-40% every generation — something that is not gonna last forever, mind you. Also, storage technology made a huge bump fra eMMC to UFS 2.0. We already saw the effects with S6 and iPhone 6S, and will also see it with other upcoming Android flagships that have Snapdragon 820.

    2) Camera: camera has improved alot the last few years. The camera from 5S to iPhone 6, or from Galaxy S5 to S6 is quite large.

    3) Display: displays get brighter (800 nits on S6 vs 500 on S5), more accurate colors, better reflection, higher resolution, more power efficient

    4) GPU: GPU increase about 30% each generation. With the rate this is going, they will be serious contenders to consoles by 2020.

    5) other tech, like audio quality (DAC, speakers, etc.), fingerprint readers, power efficiency, etc.

  • Andrew Dixon

    just wait for the next episode when he remembers he watched it about a hundred times.

  • Considering no major movies are shot in 8k digital I think it’s going to be a long time before 8k happens on the consumer media level.

    70mm film can be scanned to 8k but it’s not common at the moment and I don’t see a rush from studios to do 8k masters.

    35mm film is good for up to a 6k scan, but usually is scanned at 4k, so expect 4k to be the premium format for quite some time.

  • Bizzaro Nate

    Now you’re talking! I’d pay extra to get mine autographed :D

  • Lisa Naarseth Myklebust

    Haha, nice one!