Film Junk Podcast Episode #549: 13 Hours: The Secret Soldiers of Benghazi


0:00 – Intro / Singe’s Bus Stop Story
17:25 – Review: 13 Hours: The Secret Soldiers of Benghazi
51:35 – Review: The Seven Five
1:18:50 – Headlines: New Suicide Squad Trailer, The Academy Changes Membership Rules to Increase Diversity
1:37:05 – Follow-Up Discussion: Making a Murderer
2:20:25 – Other Stuff We Watched: Blood Rage, Deathgasm, Lady Snowblood, The Resurrection of Jake The Snake Roberts, The Thin Blue Line, End of Watch, Southpaw, Please Subscribe, The Guest, Manglehorn, The Green Inferno, Fantomas, The Central Park Five, World of Tomorrow
2:53:15 – Junk Mail: Best Celebrity Cop Partners + Favourite Buddy Cop Movies, Star Wars: The Force Awakens vs. Superman Returns, Watching Movies from the Perspective of a Filmmaker, Animated Short Films Before Movies, How to Watch Movies When You Have Kids, Film Junk at 1.5x Speed
3:24:50 – This Week on DVD and Blu-ray
3:26:50 – Outro

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  • devolutionary

    It may only happen once in a blue moon, but it’s always wonderful to hear another story from those behind the Shield. Spatial profiling on Jay! Also, Scott was a lovely edition to the show ;) This should be tagged as the “Blue Episode”.

  • Jr

    Or the Bad Boys episode. This is good stuff.

  • Isildur_of_Numenor

    Great show guys, Singe and Scott were awesome!

  • Essie

    I just wanted to say the Edward Wayne Edwards thing is insane. The guy who was pushing that says he was in Paradise Lost 2 as well and responsible for Zodiac, WM3, JonBenet, etc, etc.

    This is a good thread on him. and here is the supposed clip of him in Paradise Lost

  • Colin

    Good show so far, but I feel like you missed out on having Dax on to defend this thing.

  • Rob

    Hahah. This was a great episode – everyone was so on point. Lots of good thoughts, quality opinions, interesting insight into the world of law enforcement.

    Loved the shout-out to That’s Entertainment. I have a friend who left the place recently, his impression was that they really don’t have much time left before going under (despite being the only movie rental store left in the city). Sorry Frank.

  • Old guest, new episode. Oh yeah.

  • Sam

    This was a great episode. Enjoyed hearing Singe again and Scott was great too. Hopefully it’s not another 6 years before we hear from Singe (or Scott) again.

    Japanese Film premium with Scott, and Singe present just to chat since he has no time to watch the movies anyway.

  • Len F.

    Timeplay is bullshit now. It’s just advertising and/or market research; they are trying to figure out what people, movies, and products we are interested in. Drives me nuts. It used to be actual trivia and things, which was fun. I don’t even bother “playing” anymore.

  • Oh my fucking god, get Singe and Scott on here again sometime. Those guys are great. Boy oh boy.

  • Irregardless?? Really, Frank? Come on, you’re more intelligent than that.

  • Adam

    With a linguist such as Jay on the show I can’t believe that he let Frankie get away with the use of the word “irregardless” during the 13 Hours review.

  • Adam

    This guy gets it.

  • LordAwesome

    The title of the film is the title that is shown in the onscreen credits. If the onscreen credits only say “13 Hours” then it’s “13 Hours” not any marketing bs.

    Same with the second X-Men 2. It’s X2, not X-Men 2, not X-Men: United or any of that shit.

    Same with Edge of Tomorrow.

    And especially same with Raiders of the Lost Ark.

  • schizopolis

    Please link that youtube video of that guy scamming free McDonald’s. Sounds hilarious!

  • Kurt

    In terms of going to the movies in Ontario, TIMEPLAY is the root of all fucking evil. Even in its early days, it was the worst.

  • Sean

    To be fair, there is still some trivia involved. And personally I don’t see how it’s worse than being forced to watch ads anyway. But to each their own.

  • Sam

    Chi-Raq is pronounced “Shy-Raq”

    Also, Chi-Town, contrary specifically to what Frank said, is indeed pronounced “Shy-Town” and not “Chai-Town”. Hence: “Shy-Raq”

  • Sean

    I have never heard anyone pronounce it “Shy-Town” before but I am usually wrong so I will take your word for it!

  • LordAwesome

    12% of the US population is black. That’s 1/8.3 people. I don’t know about you but that seems about right in terms of onscreen presentation in modern American cinema.

    If anything black people are over-presented especially compared to Latino/Hispanic people who make up 16% of the population. Maybe it’s the type of movies I watch but I certainly don’t think Latino/Hispanic people are represented anywhere near as much as black people in American movies. Why aren’t they complaining?

    What do these diversity whiners want? 25% 33%? 50%? That ain’t happening because that is not in sync with the reality of the population.

  • Sean

    Well considering that 0% of the Oscar nominees were black, that does not line up. I also don’t think that 12% of the major studio films have black lead actors and are directed by black directors. You could be right about the relative imbalance with latino actors though.

  • LordAwesome

    Maybe not this year but in the past 15 Oscars 27 black actors have been nominated (that’s 9%, not abnormally out of whack with 12%), 9 of which were winners. That’s a massive 33% win-rate.

    In contrast there have only been 6 Hispanic/Latino nominations (2%), none of which were winners. That’s 0% Sean.

    The next biggest group are Asian Americans (5% of the population) and there’s been no Asian American actor nominations in that time.

  • Sam

    Counting Oscar winners for the four main acting awards, I found 5 African American Winners in the last 10 years: Forest Whitiker, Lupita N’yongo, Jennifer Hudson, Octavia Spencer, and Mo’Nique.

    5 out of the 40 total winners is 12.5%. I guess they’ve at least been decent represented as far as winning goes.

    However, you could definitely argue that only 1 of those were a leading role (which was male), and the other 4 were supporting roles. So the bigger issue does seem that they just aren’t being given the more important roles as a whole.

  • Sean

    I think that is a fair point. Everyone is angry over this year and last year’s nominations, but is it fair to single out a couple of specific years? You kinda need to look at the overall picture.

  • schizopolis

    Frank aka LordAwesome…..stfu

  • RockJoker

    I feel like Singe would’ve been an amazing adition to the podcast. He’s super fun, there’s obviously a chemistry between you guys and Singe. I get that it’s not possible considering Singe’s line of work and his overall busyness, wich is a shame. But at least have him as often as you can. That would’ve been fantastic. I laughed a lot listening to this episode.

  • kent88

    But this is about the voters, not the nominations.

    Only 2.4% of the Academy voters are black.

    94% are white, 77% are male, 86% are over 50, and the median age is 62.

    You think those are great numbers? Or would 100% white and 100% male be better?

  • Loren

    @Sean I think everyone gave solid reviews to End of Watch.

  • Why? He’s making a fair point. Respond with your thoughts, not “stfu”. C’mon.

  • Sean

    Would love to have him (and Scott) on more often but yeah it was tough just to get things to align for this episode. We will do our best!

  • Sean

    I feel like I may have had a few more gripes about it than the other guys, but that sounds right to me. Did I say otherwise on this week’s episode?

  • traynor

    A really great episode. I’d love to hear these guys again. Food for thought: how about a COPS premium? You all sit down after watching COPS: 20th Anniversary Edition, or COPS: Wildest Chases, or even COPS: Bad Girls (all DVD compilations available on Amazon–no blu-ray…sorry). I just know it would generate a top notch conversation.

  • RockJoker

    I can’t ask for more. Scott was fun too, btw.)

  • Nobody

    Regarding the accuracy of the stand-down order in 13 Hours, Michael Bay didn’t make that up. I think the question is more about whose version of the events you believe is true – the official government investigative committee or the contractors. The movie is based on the book that used first-hand accounts from the contractors, so that’s actually the source of the stand-down order.

    I wish Frank would’ve asked Singe and Scott another question about Prisoners (spoilers!!!):

    Why did Gyllenhaal show the bloody clothes to the parents without even first confirming that the blood was human? Just seems like it was done to create an emotional scene.

    On another note, I still don’t understand why it took Gyllenhaal so long to make the connection between the maze imagery.

  • Sean

    Good point. From what I understand, it was one specific contractor who said there was a stand down order. It just felt to me like there was a reason why Bay went with that version of the events beyond just merely adapting the book. And either way, it definitely feels like Bay took some liberties with the station chief character because he loves to mock bureaucrats.

  • Eric B

    Really enjoyed you guys cop friends. Being a cop myself it was nice to hear there perspective.

  • The point is ridiculous and at best incredibly ignorant. Are 12% of films aimed at Black audiences? That’d be ~84 movies a year. You’d be lucky to get 12 major releases.

    Hispanics make up 17% of the population, and 23% of movie ticket purchases, are anywhere near 1/5 films aimed for Hispanics? But, well, at least they get 4% of all roles.

    Or let’s try Asians. 8% of the US population are Asian, and they buy 11% of tickets. Are 1/10 roles Asian? Are 1/10 films aimed at Asian audiences? Does Hollywood still openly discuss how you can’t cast an Asian as a romantic lead?

    Maybe women have it better? I mean, they make up 51% of the population, and have bought more tickets than men in every year since 2009 and have been a larger amount of moviegoers than men every year since 2010. Are 50% of films aimed at them? Not at all. Hell, they can’t even get lead roles. In the top movie releases a ridiculous 12% of lead roles go to women, a 4% drop since 2002. In all secondary roles a paltry 29% go to women, and in all speaking roles it jumps to a whopping 30%. None of these stats include behind the camera numbers, where again women and PoC are badly underrepresented.

    The reason why diversity keeps being brought up is that Hollywood isn’t anywhere near diverse. The vast majority of movies and roles are squarely aimed at white men. And the people who vote on them are white men. Which leads to a lot of honors for, wait for it, white men.

    But who wants facts when it’s so much easier to shove your head in the sand and blame CoPO whiners?

  • Sam’s right, it’s Shy-Town.

  • Kenneth Serenyi

    Jay has sounded so much like me during a few parts of the past couple of episodes that Siri on my iPhone has tried to respond to him ????

  • LordAwesome

    Out of the top one hundred movies in America last year which were aimed “squarely at white men”?

  • Nobody

    Oh, I think Bay definitely sides firmly with the ex-military guys. I disagree with Frank’s interpretation regarding the depiction of American bureaucracy; there’s even that line at the end from one of the contractors telling the interpreter, “Your country needs to figure this shit out” or something along those lines.

    I haven’t actually read the book, but there’s a Washington Post article covering Bob’s response to the film that references the book’s description of him: “The book accuses Bob of treating the GRS contractors like ‘Wal-Mart security guards.'” So apparently the movie at least pulled its Bob characterization from somewhere, but yeah, they didn’t exactly translate it in the most convincing manner.

  • The stats I cited were from 2014, 2015 numbers aren’t released for a few months. But for 2014, top 100 had 62 films aimed at white men when they make up 31% of the US population.

  • Samb

    Next will come the argument that those movies “for” white men are actually for everyone, while those “for” anybody else are for them alone….

  • Frankie Knuckles

    I think Bay sides with the Ex-Military guys as well.

    Sean was saying the movie had an anti-war message (Sean probably meant more of anti foreign interference message ) .

    I was arguing the exact opposite. I think the movie is a justification for the military. Showing a pure Anti-American sentiment in the world that needs to be defended against. Also, clearly the military are the ones that save the day justifying/glorifying them even more.

  • LordAwesome

    You don’t have to wait for the stats to come in. Just look at the list I linked to and tell me which of those movies were aimed “squarely at white men”.

  • You don’t understand how stats work. To directly compare you need to use the data from the same year. Looking at that list, ~60 are marketed for white men, but that’s empty data without the rest of the demo information, which isn’t available for about 2 months.

  • LordAwesome

    I don’t want to directly compare stats or wait two months.

    I want YOU to tell ME the films on that list that are aimed “squarely at white men”. It’s not a hard mathematical equation. It isn’t a consensus report. Just look at the list and tell me. Apparently there are sixty. Name them.

  • I don’t care what you want. I’m not your monkey. Do your own homework.

  • Mitch Dunham

    Was listening to the organization manifesto part 3 and Frankie comes up with an idea for a Criterion lottery where a random number is picked once a month and the crew watches the movie corresponding to the number and reviews it on the show. Seems like a great idea, maybe on a Criterion premium or something?

  • LordAwesome

    A simple question you failed to answer, blowing your ridiculous theory out of the water. Thanks.