I actually agree with your take on the ratings a bit more.

Vibe cast for sure next week! It’s a must. Perfect disaster popcorn flick to review for it too.

Jay is dead-on about top 10 lists. Similar to the Top 100, if you’re not curating it as a statement about who you are as a film goer and are simply ranking them in numerical order, it’s a chore. A 4/5 usually sneaks into the middle of my list every year. God love ya Franky, but you’re wrong on this one.

And there’s also the fact that a star rating is how you feel about a movie straight after you watched it, while a top 10 list reflects how you feel about the movie far removed from it (in a lot of cases at least.)

Right … it means you already know you’d give it a higher rating the next time you watch it.

Potentially. Every film is judged based on it’s own merits. Only God Forgives will probably still be a 4/5 the next time I watch it, but I stand by my choice of having it in my top 10 list for that year, above other films that I felt were more successful at what they were attempting. But because it was striving for something more than, say, 21 Jump Street (5/5), even though it didn’t totally succeed for me, the impression I was left with after watching it is enough to make it an important part of that year in film for me.

I get where you’re coming from Frank, really I do. We just disagree on the point of a top 10 list.

I’ve always read Star-Ratings as just a quick visual guideline that just carries a bit more accuracy than ‘like or dislike’ that is specifically representative to one person’s tastes. Whether ‘like’ means they thought it was a quality piece of art, or ‘like’ means they just had a blast watching it is totally independent of anything but how that person decides to define it.

For example, I know that my taste in movies and how I would ‘rate’ them most lines up with Sean on FilmJunk. I think the other reviewer’s ratings are valuable considering I (generally) know what those ratings are going to mean, and those ratings definitely carry different weight between genres… but ultimately ratings carry the value the rate-ee assigns them, and are pretty pointless unless you know how the rate-ee works.

In my opinion, once you know someone, all you would really need for the ‘glance’ is a thumbs up or thumbs down. If you need or want more, listen to what they have to say.

Actually NOT SWEATING with this … also think that Ebert is wrong, and he is definitely no longer a GOD to me.

That being said, I still don’t think Ebert ever put a film in his Top 10 list that was lower than a 4-star review.

Frank, prepare to sweat. I present your top ten films of 2013:

1. The Wolf of Wall Street
2. Her
3. Before Midnight
4. Inside Llewyn Davis
5. Captain Phillips
6. Gravity 4.5/5
7.The Lone Ranger 5/5
8. All Is Lost
9. Nebraska
10. The World’s End

Now Frank to prove his point will re-watch both Sideways and Gravity and force a 5/5 on rating on them.

Yes … Sideways was a recent re-watch. Have not revisited 2004 and it would be lower.

Anticipatory 5/5 on a Boyhood re-watch, wouldn’t commit to a 3 hour re-watch for the Top 10 episode because I was waiting until I at least had a BluRay version, as the first time I watched it, it was pretty low quality.

This is a lame excuse and goes against everything you’re arguing about.

To summarize.

In response to Frank’s unusual ordering of his 2014 top ten list:

7. Boyhood 4.5/5
8. The Guest 5/5

He says: “Anticipatory 5/5 on a Boyhood re-watch, wouldn’t commit to a 3 hour re-watch for the Top 10 episode because I was waiting until I at least had a BluRay version, as the first time I watched it, it was pretty low quality.”

So I Frank is using a “precog” method of top ten listing, in which he prematurely adjusts his list (but not his rating) based off of a second viewing he’s unwilling to give to a movie that he has already decided he will like more on a rewatch.

Yup! Makes sense!

Who are you kidding? We all know that in 5 years time Lone Ranger will retroactively move up to your #1 spot. Commit to the inevitable now.

These arguments are starting to become Retarded Robot Butler logic.

In addition to that, he mentions his longstanding distain for star-ratings and the thumbs up/down format; which must’ve been difficult considering it was their trademark.
http://www.openculture.com/2014/07/roger-eberts-final-list-of-his-top-10-favorite-films-2012.html

I probably wouldn’t complain if you guys did a vibecast next week.

Essentially what Frank is doing the exact same thing you are doing but applying some absurd fantasy element to it and thinking it’s better/more logical.

Frank will put a 4.5/5 above a 5 in some hypothetical future viewing that he’s played out in some fantasy in his head in that he’s 100% certain he will like the movie even more.

But he should try and break that down a little more. Why does he think he might give it more? Why didn’t he give it more to begin with?

Maybe a movie like Boyhood stuck with him more and he connected with it a lot more? Maybe he respects the movie a lot for what it was trying to do?

Why did he give The Guest a 5/5 straight out? Maybe the movie is great for what it is but isn’t exactly challenging and require much thought post-viewing?

So the difference here is, Jay isn’t using some weird future fantasy as to how much he’ll like a movie on a not yet existing second viewing, but instead using how he feels about certain movies at the end of the year. Seems Frank is doing the same thing, but yet can’t get past the mathematical way of thinking that he must adjust his ratings accordingly or else something catastrophic might occur, that he creates some weird simulation in his mind in order to compensate for these non-mathematical thoughts in his brain.

The fact that Franks hypotheticals are all 1/5 star films showing up on Jays Top 10 proves that he doesn’t understand what Jay is saying because if he’s given it a 1/5 than the film not only didn’t entertain him on a basic level (read: “I liked it!”) it also didn’t leave him feeling challenged on an intellectual level; i.e. causing him to question perhaps his own philosophy or understanding of the human condition. That being the case, no, a 1/5 could never be on his Top 10 because if it affected him in a deeper sense than he would have rewarded it with a higher score.

Frank has a serious case of Ava Mentality because he’s acting like a dumb robotic bitch. .

Depends on the movie!

I think I got it. If someone wanted to watch a good film about Marijuana, they would look for a top 10 film. If someone wanted to use Marijuana and just enjoy a movie, then they could use the star rating.

This is a new trend that is emerging where directors who have shot in IMAX are trying to get more picture information on a standard screen.

The film is formatted in 2.20:1 aspect ratio (which falls somewhere between the IMAX and 2.40:1 ratios) hence the bars at the top and bottom.

Expect vertical bars on Jurassic World which is presented in a 2.00:1 ratio.

6 star Film Junk episode!

when i get the money im going to buy all the premiums. hundreds of dollars of filmjunk. but you have to make more shorts with jerry aka “the king”

The Rental Exclusive marking is part of the label in the States and not a sticker.