Game Junk Podcast Episode #21: Destiny and GamerGate


0:00 – Intro
7:35 – Headlines: Microsoft Buys Mojang, Rise of the Tomb Raider to Debut on Xbox First, Mario Kart 8 Mercedes DLC, Apple Watch Announced, Major Steam Update With “Curation”, EA Access
1:01:52 – Games We Played: Destiny, Infamous: Second Son, Mario Kart 8, Gang Beasts, Tomb Raider, Papers Please, Gone Home, P.T., Middle Earth: Shadow of Mordor, Hack ‘n’ Slash, The Swapper, Shovel Knight, Mario Kart 8, Super Mario 3D World, Hyrule Warriors
2:09:49– Hot Button: GamerGate
2:31:41 – Junk Mail: What Fundamentally Draws You To Video Games, Building a Franken-Console, MMOs and Best Value for Your Money, Video Games Without an End Goal, Criterion Collection for Games
3:28:37 – Upcoming Releases
3:31:44 – Outro

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  • Bandit Manatee

    Yes! The best quarterly video game podcast on the internet. Thanks for the new episode guys!

  • Jonny Ashley

    bustin my gunk to some game junk

  • Essie

    Thanks for answering my question.

  • MattTO

    Would love a gamejunk videogame Criterion building podcast. Thanks for the show guys – loved it.

  • Essie

    Andrew is awesome honestly. And I’d love to hear Jay on the show again.

  • Kasper

    Oh god no… GamerGate? I have done everything I can to avoid that topic and now you guys have a 20 minute segment on it.

  • Sam

    The court of public opinion is that everything Sony does is awesome and everything Microsoft does is great?

    Maybe once PS4 hit, but that definitely was far from the case last generation. Even with the impressive amount of exclusives Sony had, everyone always bashed Sony and the games sold like shit.

    The popular opinion last generation was in Microsoft’s favor, of course that might be exactly why Frank was a Sony fan last generation and jumped to the contrary opinion (at least momentarily) this generation.

  • HuckCity

    Don’t worry, none of us really knew what had happened, so it’s probably the most off conversation about it out there

  • devolutionary

    That’s actually an interesting idea. If nothing else, it would provide endless fodder for debate.

  • Bandit Manatee

    a sampling of my criterion collection games.

    Jet Force Gemini – N64 an underrated pretty much forgotten Rare Gem that blended the best elements of 3D platforming exploration and third person shooting.

    Fear Effect – PSX mature resident evil style game about some mercenaries. Interesting animated style, and had lesbians in it so might appeal to the Gone Home crowd.

    Vectorman – Genesis really cool futuristic platformer where you played as a robot who could morph into all types of cool shit. Really felt like Sega was trying to push this character as another “cool” “edgy” mascot. There was a sequel but no one seems to talk about it anymore.

    Kill.Switch – XBox A shit game, but was one of the first games to pioneer third person cover based shooting. This will be in the collection so hipsters can overrate it and claim it’s ten times better than Gear of War thus proving the reality of Criterionitis for games as well as movies.

    The Bouncer – PS2 Remember this game and how hyped it was as a next gen experience at the time?

  • Sam

    Would all the Burnout games count? They are made by Criterion Games

  • John Abides

    I’m glad you came back to the actual problem at the end though. Death threats and stalkers are off the hook. Writing about games and criticizing them for treating women, minorities, and others poorly is an aspect of games journalism. It’s an aspect of all journalism.

    Hope that paragraph isn’t too much Kasper!

  • ColinZeal

    Wow, the Apple hate on that one guy, hatin’ on Apple like it’s 2011… Really?

  • devolutionary

    You guys would probably get a kick out of this.

    Silent Hill PT in Minecraft:

  • MisterQuigley

    The only thing I loved more than hearing from the Gasman again was hearing your responses to his question. Best segment ever, no joke. Chris and Alex, thanks for doing this. Fun pod – cheers…

  • review for Xbox One version…

    I could go on and on about DESTINY. Destiny is Halo meets Diablo III. That simple. The guns, the enemies, the vehicles are all straight out of Halo. Then you pick up gear and have a central hub (the city) where you stash stuff and buy and sell.

    Destiny is really fun until you get up over level 20 – which is weird because the developers claim that once you reach level 20, the game is supposed to really open up. For me, once you’ve finished the story, and done the five (or six?) strikes, then you’re just doing the same thing over and over and over and over again. If you wanna do new stuff (like the new strikes that are out now), you have to be at least to level 25 because those levels are HARD(!) with a capital “H”. On top of that, there’s no search function for these strikes so you have to do it with friends who are all on at the same time and want to do that strike and are leveled up that high. I don’t have many friends online so in all likelihood, I’ll never get to play these levels – but do I really want to anyway as to get there, I have to grind out the same old strikes and boring missions literally hundreds of time to get my character ready for that level of play. Fuck that.

    And speaking of “missions” – you patrol the planet surface and pick up quick missions. They are the same fucking thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. Go there, kill 15 guys. Go there, kill 15 more guys. Go there and stand in place for 20 seconds. Go over there and kill 15 guys. It’s stupid and boring and repetitive.

    The storyline is shit. I have no idea why I’m doing what I’m doing nor do I care. Peter Dinklage stood in a recording room for an afternoon and spouted off boring lines probably also with no idea why he’s saying what he’s saying.

    PvP – I hate it. Maybe it;s just because I’m used to Halo IV gameplay, but I feel like Destiny’s PvP is 25% skill, 50% what level you are/what level your rival is and 25% luck. It’s frustrating and the maps are just OK at best.

    Having said all that, I still find some enjoyment in playing through. Frank is right. It’s really really nice looking, the sound design is maybe the best I’ve ever heard in a game and the mechanics are pretty solid. But I can tell you this, if I had bought the physical disc rather than the download, I would be selling this game today and picking up Mordor or pre-purchasing GTA V or Halo MCC with the money. This is not a particularly replayable game in my opinion.

    In short, you should’ve had me on for the Destiny discussion ;)

  • Sean

    Are you saying we should have people on this show who actually play games??! That’s actually a good idea. We’ll keep you in mind for future episodes. :)

  • Ha! No you guys play far more than I do and are much more knowledgeable. I was kind of kidding. That said, now that I have an Xbox One and a Wii U (and a PS4 very soon), I’ll be playing a lot more titles. Really into Need for Speed Rivals and Titanfall right now. And some of the free indie stuff is great at the moment.

    Great show guys – cheers!

  • cinedouche

    Love you guys, but you all came off as pretty naive int he GamerGate discussion.

    It’s easy to say “just stop complaining, games can’t cater for everyone” when you’re a straight white guy and 90% of culture caters directly to you.

  • pcch7

    Bungie made Oni didn’t they? That was a great game.

  • Fo

    Thanks Gents. Will be listening on the road tomorrow.

  • Maybe I missed it, but it sounds like you guys all think electronic watches tied to your phone is a brand new thing conceived by Apple. You guys know Android phones (particularly Sony and Samsung) all have had wearables for well over a year now right? I’m fact, I’d say high end Android watches look way better than Apple finally jumping on the bandwagon.

    Apple’s innovation went out the door long ago. All they do now is play catchup with Android stuff (bigger displays, third party keyboards, watches, etc.). Still all good equipment, it’s just stuff Android and Google et. al. have been doing for a long time already.

  • Reed Farrington

    Some people think the Apple Watch will wipe out all the previous fitness tracker competition. And some people think wearable fitness trackers will die out soon anyway, because people who have bought them in the past abandoned their use soon after purchase.

  • Reed Farrington

    Just listened to the song that Paul McCartney wrote for Destiny. I don’t want to be a hater so I won’t say anything more.

  • I haven’t played with the Apple watch yet so I cant speak to its functionality or aesthetics. But I’m not talking about fitness trackers. The Moto 360 , Samsung Galaxy Gear (and Gear 2) and Pebble Watch (among many others) are full fledged wearable devices that look like a watch. They have interchangeable electronic faces and alert you to text messages, phone calls, emails, give you weather info, etc etc.

    There are some lesser known, really high-end ones out there too that cost a fortune – and look really cool! But these other examples are available right now at Best Buy, Amazon, Google Play store and other retailers. I’ve been considering getting one for about 6 months but just keep seeing a little bit better one always on the horizon… so I continue to wait.

  • Reed Farrington

    But I’m talking about fitness trackers. :-)

    Andrew, I guess I replied to your comment because the implication is that Apple may not be innovating, but they make everything “better.” (That being said, I’m a PC guy, not a Mac guy, because Apple makes things for simpletons. But I do love my Touch.)

  • Corey Pierce

    It’s also easy to demonize all of the people participating in GamerGate as misogynists and not listen to what the goals of the vast majority of them actually are regarding ethics.

    Not accusing you. Just been frustrated watching the level of moral panic over the last few days, saying things like it’s “ONLY” a shield to attack women. After listening to the I Heart Gameplay podcast as well as HuffPost Live’s roundtable today with women taking part in GamerGate, I am convinced that the anti-GG has gone overboard in mischaracterizing their opposition, and it’s pretty awful watching Kotaku’s sister sites all release their own anti-GG articles to cover their own ass by proxy.

    And I’m not even really a gamer! I don’t really care about game journo ethics. But I care about my friends being lumped in with sexual harassers and MRAs by the flimsiest of association.

  • pineapplepuss

    Cool, I haven’t listened yet but I read the description. Tomb Raider comes out on the regular Xbox first before other systems, time to plug up the old Xbox, haven’t played it in awhile since Mortal Kombat Armageddon came out