Film Junk Podcast Episode #474: The Raid 2

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0:00 – Intro / Jay’s Border Crossing Story / Werner Herzog Lottery
27:40 – Review: The Raid 2
51:55 – Headlines: Marvel Announces a Female Thor, Mark Romanek to Direct The Shining Prequel, Bond 24 Gets a Rewrite to Make it Funnier
1:11:30 – Other Stuff We Watched: Sex Tape, Romancing the Stone, Krull, Dr. No in 4K, Turtle Power, Joe Dirt, Used Cars, The Karate Kid, The Farting Preacher, Highway to Heaven, Starcrash, Snowpiercer, Hearts of Darkness, Apocalypse Now, Chinatown, The Two Jakes, The Leftovers, The Strain
2:21:50 – Junk Mail: Frank’s Blind Love for Tim Burton, Horses in Tim Burton’s Planet of the Apes, Directors Not Directing the Third Movie in a Trilogy, Interesting Uses of Time in Movies, Movie and Food Pairings
2:41:35 – This Week on DVD and Blu-ray
2:42:50 – Outro

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  • Lori Cerny

    Poor Frank! Getting anal from Herzog.

  • Lori Cerny

    Jay,

    You need to visualize your ‘missed flight’ as an opportunity. Make a documentary short about border crossing. Maybe you can win some points by making those guards famous.

    Oh, and if you had been wearing your FilmJunk swag, you may have been given a free pass. That, or wear a director’s hat ala Ronnie Howard.

  • I am SO PISSED that I pre-ordered the Herzog collection from Amazon and not Shout Factory. Pretty sure that precludes me from getting a signed copy. Also I don’t think the Amazon one ships until next Tuesday.

    I have to say though, when I read “Herzog Lottery,” I was praying it was like the “Criterion Lottery” idea you guys had awhile back. Each week you select a random film from the Herzog collection to watch and talk about. Think about it.

  • devolutionary

    I love these border-crossing stories from Jay. Never gets old! At first I wasn’t interested in the Shout Factory release of the Herzog set until I realized that on average I’m not paying more than maybe $8 US per film (+ shipping).

  • devolutionary

    The fake call-in to Werner Herzog was awesome. When the secretary comes on I almost believed Matt had a direct life-line to him!

  • Kasper

    Great episode this week – the border-crossing story was top notch.

    I haven’t watched The Raid 2 yet, but it certainly doesn’t sound like an improvement over the first. I love action movies that know how to pull off having only one main location, and after the first movie doing that so well hearing about this expanding and being extremely long I’ve more or less lost all interest in watching it.

    I was also hoping you guys would review Hercules next week as it looks like it’ll be awful.

  • AwakeNbake

    Where is Jay?? It’s not a review when Jay doesn’t get invovled somehow! Sean I am disappointed in you, I thought this was right up your alley? Karoke singing/prison riots/ and fried faced steamed rice.

  • AwakeNbake

    If you haven’t seen it yet, you can’t say it isn’t an improvement over the first one because……….. YOU NEED TO SEE IT FIRST!!!

  • iammattz

    Gourley + PFT showing up… this is the greatest. I love you guys.

  • Kasper

    Good thing I didn’t say that, then.

  • Junker

    Dammit filmjunk, you guys get me hooked on the Arch bishop of animation and then take it away. I’ve got Dax withdrawals!

  • devolutionary

    Better Herzog than the Farting Preacher!

  • Sean

    With any luck D__Gee will be back next week.

  • Derek

    Smudge of Darkness: A Film Collector’s Apocalypse

  • Tum Tum Tyranus

    I want to curb stomp emailer, Phil.

  • ChrisJPN

    You could have asked Werner about his plans for Grown Ups 3.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvlOTJJyvEU

  • Film Ape
  • jayb0b

    That was amazing. I only really know Paul F Tompkins from him being Werner Herzog on Doug Loves Movies but this was as epic for me as a Marvel DC crossover.

  • Liney

    Freaky…Jason Statham competing in the Commonwealth games:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/commonwealth-games/28292980

  • Ulrich

    Too much whining and nitpicking during that RAID 2 review. Curved knife? Its called a Karambit. This review was horrible.

  • Jay Cheel

    A Karambit? That’s a pretty nitpicky complaint for a review of a review that’s too nitpicky.

  • woo

    Ha, I’ve actually heard of this Paul F. Thompkins before. Ari Shaffir mentioned him on his very popular skeptic tank podcast. Now I’ll have to check him out. “I apply 16 pounds of pressure which is enough to break a human arm”

    As for Frank taking heat in the junk mail segment, I think that listeners see Jay giving Frank the ribs all the time and feel like they can join in. What they don’t realize is that there’s no familiarity there, and the teasing just comes off as mean and completely out of left field. Know that you are well loved, Frank.

  • Maureen W.

    Just an FYI: A few years back, you guys briefly discussed the film Gooby starring Robbie Coltrane as a giant teddy bear. I remember Sean had seen it while he was home sick and Frank and Greg were cracking up looking at the screen shots online. How Did This Get Made?’s latest episode discusses this film and the group seems truly disturbed by the it. It’s pretty funny (better than their episode on Nothing But Trouble, I think).

  • Somebody

    THE RAID 2’s story may not be as tightly constructed as INFERNAL AFFAIRS or something from Johnnie To (you guys really should watch To’s DRUG WAR, which is on Netflix streaming), but I thought it was still interesting and actually did a good job of sustaining the long runtime.

    I think it’s strange how neither of you really delved into what Gareth Evans and his crew accomplished with the action sequences (and their buildup), although it sounds like Sean didn’t think it was worth discussing since he didn’t care about the story enough. There’s a lot to be said about how the action was shot and edited, as well as the intricate choreography and the amazing physical skills on display; there are some very inventive, amazing shots throughout the movie (e.g., the single shot that starts at one car and then passes through a second car).

    At the very least, I would actually say it’s better than THE DEPARTED. I was so excited to see that but was shocked by how it basically drained all the tension away from INFERNAL AFFAIRS, inserted a ridiculous love triangle, and changed the poignant original ending into something that was pat and jokey. Frank said he suspects that some of the villains in RAID 2 are cheesy, but none of them can be worse than Jack Nicholson’s super hammy, unconvincing performance as a gang boss in THE DEPARTED.

  • Kasper

    Paul’s very funny. You should check out some of his episodes on the podcast Comedy Bang Bang. Aside from Werner Herzog I also love him as Andrew Lloyd Webber, Cake Boss and Ice-T.

  • ChrisJPN

    His Ice-T is always amazing.

  • Sean

    I agree the physical skills on display are impressive but they’re also sort of a given with this kind of movie. I found that after a while it all sort of blurred together but I don’t know if that’s because I couldn’t see the subtle differences in the fights or because they simply weren’t different enough.

    I did forget to mention that I really liked the shot where the guy smashes through the window and the camera rolls with him. I got a bit sick of the super slow-mo before every single fight though.

  • Lior

    Unlike in Matt’s case, I think many people leave motion smoothness on not out of choice but out of ignorance. It’s a factory setting, and if you don’t know about the nuts and bolts of modern TV’s you’ll just miss it and never adjust it.

    For me motion smoothness make film look downright horrible. It’s a flat look, lacking any depth or highlights. It’s perfect for sports and maybe live music concerts, certainly not film, which is shot in 24 fps and meant to be seen that way.

  • Falsk

    TOOT TOOT! All aboard the Hate-Train! Destination: Frank Town!

    Srsly, guys…

    … Matt, I’m ready to join your resistance. I think I’m the last soul on Earth allowing my DVDs and Blu’s to intermingle freely on my shelf. Feels so right…

  • Jason Hermsen

    Having matt and pft on fj would be like seeing Tim Allen on Seinfeld during the 90s. Now if we can just get Reed on Comedy Bang Bang…

  • Somebody

    Hmm, I think if you do get around to watching RAID 2 again, you’ll see that there are only two instances where slow-mo is used to build up to fights (both prison scenes). Martial arts movies showcasing impressive physicality may be expected, but I still think it’s refreshing to see since so many big Hollywood action movies instead rely on CG spectacle and borderline-incoherent fight scenes.

    I hope Reed weighs in on this sometime in the future. Jay will probably hate it because it’s a martial arts movie lacking Jackie Chan.

  • MovieViewerMan

    I’m joining the resistance too.

  • B.J.

    I´m part of the resistance as well!
    We need to stand up against the “Lord of OCD” aka Frank!!

  • devolutionary

    The only time I’ve witness motion smoothness for a considerable amount of time is while parusing the TV aisle of Walmart (the difference is painfully obvious). I’m still fascinated at comparing it to regular framing but admit that sports-watching is greatly improved.

  • Reed Farrington

    Jay wants me to do improv with Matt on the FJ podcast, but I can’t do improv because I think too slow. I have a hard enough time with scripted material. Besides, I think improv is the lowest form of humour, even beneath punnery! (Sorry, Matt.)

  • Reed Farrington

    I haven’t even seen the first Raid, yet. I did see a compendium of the fight scenes on YouTube, but I was bored by it. I prefer the action stuff being done recently by Donnie Yen.

  • kyri

    they will pay for what they did to jay..

  • Matt Gourley

    I challenge you to an improv pun-off, Gerry.

  • ftracy3

    Matt is off base on this–if a director wanted his movie to look like it was shot on TV style video, he’d shoot it that way. When I got my new Samsung I was ready to take it back when every black and white movie looked like an early TV soap opera. Finally was able to figure out the problem and adjusted accordingly. Film should look like film.

  • ftracy3

    That was fake?

  • Reed Farrington

    Challenge declined! I’m challenged enough. Besides, Sean is the KoP (King of Puns) around here, so I’d only embarrass myself.

  • Andrew James

    I agree with other listeners. If you guys don’t go see BOYHOOD in theaters, you’ve failed at life. Without hyperbole, I can honestly say it’s one of the best films of the decade.

  • Somebody

    Donnie Yen delivered some creative, awesome action in SPL, Flash Point and Ip Man, but I think his more recent output has plummeted in quality for some reason and he’s now being surpassed by others. Special ID just came out on Netflix and looked liked a return to form but is a choppy mess, although you can still see some decent flashes of action throughout.

  • Essie

    Crossovers to other podcasts are nice I suppose but I like it when things stay strictly in the FJ universe, I must say.

  • Jared M

    Matt, the resistance lives on. I can’t even use my Blu-ray player because the HDMI ports on my TV are all dead. Long Live DVDs via a component cable!

  • Reed Farrington

    What action/martial arts stars are doing good things now?

  • MovieViewerMan

    Gentlemen, set your phasers to “pun”.

  • Somebody

    I know this post is probably way too late for you to see, but there aren’t a lot of names that pop up for me. I would actually say the team behind The Raid films are doing some of the very best martial arts work right now, so there’s a good chance you won’t agree with me on this topic.

    I really like Jacky Wu, but I also haven’t seen him do anything really impressive lately; same thing goes for Tony Jaa. However, I am a big fan of Scott Adkins, a really talented British martial artist (Ninja II, Universal Soldier: Day of Reckoning, Undisputed 3) and I loved the fight scenes in Wong Kar-wai’s The Grandmaster. The Korean film The Man from Nowhere has perhaps the best knife fight I’ve ever seen.

  • John Abides

    Oh jeeze, now I’m commenting way too late. But I’ll second The Man From Nowhere. The movie specializes more in short, efficient moves, but the knife fighting is great. Tiger Chen in The Man of Tai Chi is also great. Marko Zaror is ludicrous. His movies aren’t exactly new, but Kiltro and Mirageman have very fun fights. I can’t think of anything else recent, but I can always go back to see Jackie Chan. He never disappoints.

  • Larry Morgan

    I’m still amazed at how divisive this movie has been. People either love it or can’t stand it. I thought it was dull as bricks.