Film Junk Podcast Episode #454: Robocop

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0:00 – Intro
3:55 – Review: Robocop
51:35 – Settling Frank and Sean’s Bets
1:07:23 – Headlines: New Ninja Turtles Designs, Knight Rider Movie
1:18:44 – Other Stuff We Watched: Hollow Man, Soldier of Orange, Cutie and the Boxer, Blackfish, Deceptive Practice: The Mysteries and Mentors of Ricky Jay, Cyborg Cop, Basic Instinct, The Hunt, Almost Human, House of Cards, True Detective
2:03:13 – Junk Mail: Franchise Potential of Robocop, Most Anticipated Remakes,
Dawn of the Mega-Director?, Older Sci-Fi Recommendations
2:21:09 – This Week on DVD and Blu-ray
2:23:33 – Outro

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  • Essie

    Thank you for another great episode.

  • Johnny Boudreaux

    You guys are simply the best, better than all the rest.

  • Mrespony

    Can’t wait for the premium, I’ll buy that for a dollar! Heyooooooo!

  • Sean

    In case anyone wants to take a closer look, here is my video evidence for the Knack bet (around the 5:30 mark):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4fspvhk3gg

  • Film Junk Fan 15

    Next Months Premium???? (i haven’t listened yet)

  • Sean

    M. Night Shyamalan

  • Sam

    Why didn’t Frank do as he often does and watch some Jose Padilha to prepare?

  • Gerry

    Re sci fi recommendations, I’d recommend one of my favourite films, Trancers, and, if you don’t mind ultra low budget films, Android.

    If Jay does the next premium ‘cast in his mockney accent I’d buy that for a dollar. Great maniacal laugh too Jay.

  • devolutionary

    I was rooting for you in this bet the whole time Sean.

  • Kasper

    It’s not only his arms but also his legs that’s larger, Sean. If you compare with this, which I believe is the smallest version of Knack: http://cd1.leviathyn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/knack.jpg

    Looking even closer he also has something akin to a crotch section in the video you posted, which he doesn’t have in the smallest version.

  • Essie

    Also, it seems like Jay’s reaction to the new Robocop is in fact coming from a place of fanboyism, which is fine, but let’s call a spade a spade. Even if it isn’t as nitpicky as ‘Batman’s voice shouldn’t sound like that’ it’s still holding the original to an unreachable preciousness and discounting anything the new one does by saying it isn’t the same as the original. I would tend to agree with him, I just wish Jay, in his deep hatred of fanboys, didn’t have to qualify negative statements so often by saying well I’m not being like the internet or I’m not being like a fanboy. It’s fine to just admit you’re having a human reaction based on nostalgia, no?

    Not a criticism at all just an observation. Thanks again.

  • Jay Cheel

    Copied and pasted from my Letterboxd review:

    I have yet to see The Lego Movie but something tells me that the Robocop remake is a bigger offender when it comes to offensive and egregious branding. Everything that made the original film unique, edgy, funny, and original is sanitized and distilled into a bland, palatable “rudimentary paste” (get it?) that might be easier to swallow, but is certainly not as nutritious or delicious. In the process, they were mindful to retain just enough iconography from the first film (character names, basic designs) to justify slapping on the “Robocop” brand name. Still, the soul of Verhoeven’s original — and what ultimately makes Robocop Robocop — is erased because it’s deemed too ugly, cynical, grotesque, edgy, prescient, and violent for the average, modern moviegoing audiences. This wouldn’t be nearly as offensive if the resulting film wasn’t so middle of the road.

    I suppose the only way to sell a flavourless rudimentary paste is with a brand name. That is probably the closest José Padilha’s Robocop comes to satire.

    And from Facebook:

    The broad satire is a big part of what defines the Robocop franchise. In this case, with that broad satire scrubbed out, you have a somewhat generic sci-fi action film branded with the Robocop name. I guess I’m not willing to give this film the benefit of the doubt and would rather hold the film/filmmakers/studio/whoever accountable for branding their product with the Robocop name while attempting to ignore all of the grotesque, violent, cynical, satirical elements that come with it, which might negatively impact their return.

  • Arnold Schizopolis

    For the listener that emailed in, other 70s/80s Sci-Fi films worth checking out.

    Marooned 1969
    Capricorn One 1977
    Scanners 1981
    Videodrome 1983
    Westworld 1973 (sequel Futureworld, not as good)
    Colossus: The Forbin Project 1970 (might as well be the movie that connects The Terminator series & The Matrix Series)

  • devolutionary

    Hey Sean, another laughably “so bad it’s good” Robocop knockoff from 1989 is R.O.T.O.R. That stands for Robotic Officer of the Tactical Operations Research/Reserve Unit. I’d name off the director and cast but none of them are recognizable. Only seen several bits and pieces from it but I distinctly remember a ridiculous scene where the “R.O.T.O.R.” plods through some sort of auditorium and struggles to clear placed chairs w/ a ridiculous monstrosity of a suit.

    The BadMovies.org website is where I first heard about this a few years back but it might be tricky to track down now (as many 80’s b-movie tape reels were).

    http://www.jabootu.com/rotor.htm
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R.O.T.O.R.

  • Kenneth Serenyi

    Can’t wait for you Godzilla premium :) Might I suggest a Coen brothers premium?

  • bob

    no praying with anger? weak…

  • Film Junk Fan 15

    Even as a Film Junk Fan I am Dreading your “Lego Movie” Review!! I loved the movie but I have a feeling it was not made for Film Junk!! it still will be one of my most anticipated Film Junk Episodes of this year. it will most definitely be an interesting discussion.

  • park chan poop

    Sperm know how to swim like goldfish, who’s to say they don’t have cognitive functions beyond that? Every time you masturbate you’re committing genocide, Frank.

  • Sam

    I see Frank hating it, Sean enjoying it, and Jay might be middle-of-the-road on it.

    Though I could also see those predictions being completely off. I also enjoyed the hell out of The Lego Movie.

  • Juan Costrada

    Sean definitely wins the bet, unless Frank can prove he said it was the smallest version of Knack.

  • Anthony

    >Review Robocop and Monuments Men
    >Don’t review Lego movie

  • pcch7

    I notice that Sean mentioned all the actors EXCEPT the woman =D.. It was such a waste to get Michael Kenneth Williams in the movie and then not give him anything to do..

    All in the game yo, all in the game.

  • Kind of wish you guys had gotten to Lego earlier, as now I feel you will be too influenced by hype, not expecting you guys to love it.

  • Xidor

    There is a great scene by Wesley Snipes in “The Waterdance”. He used to beat his wife until he has an accident. Instead of turning into Robocop, he is in a wheelchair and paralyzed. It’s one of his best performances when he tries to convince her to take him in.

  • Frankie Knuckles

    True … if I came whales or rats, I would continue to commit genocide 1.5 times a day on average without regret

  • Sam

    So I went back to listen to the Game Junk episode to see if we could settle the Knack bet and it seems like they both made the bet with different things in mind.

    Frank: I like how they have this big, black, deep voice for ‘Big Knack’ and little Knack never talks at all
    Sean: I think he has the same voice.
    Frank: He doesn’t say a word. You wanna make a famous bet, little Knack doesn’t speak.
    Sean: I’ll make that bet.
    Frank: $20
    Sean: $20 that little Knack doesn’t speak? Alright.
    Frank: The smallest version of Knack!

    So tough one to call. Frank does clarify that he meant the smallest version of Knack but after Sean agreed to “little Knack” not talking. I think Reed should decide this one.

  • Sean

    Very interesting. Especially since my initial response was simply that they use the same voice for multiple versions of Knack.

    Ultimately I think Frank gets the benefit of the doubt just because he already lost the Robocop bet. I think it’s a draw.

  • pcch7

    I don’t know, I guess you could call it a pity draw but I think you’re the de facto winner here in my book.

  • Strybeck

    When you guys were talking about Robocop and how today’s Hollywood doesn’t have the balls to obscure an actor’s face for most of a movie – what about Tom Hardy as Bane in The Dark Knight Rises? Hardy wasn’t even too well known at the time among non-cinephiles. With his mouth obscured anyone could have had their voice dubbed onto the performance of a Schwarzenegger-like tough guy. But they chose Hardy and proceeded to block most of his face and have his speak in an accented muffled voice. Ballsy.

  • Sam

    Or Karl Urban in Dredd

  • Sam

    It should be pointed out that Frank immediately followed up the bet with his Saving Mr. Banks homage “I just won $20 bucks hyahhh!”

  • Nate

    Robocop bet for sure goes to Sean – no question. I thought you guys were originally arguing if the color of the suit would be changed from the leaked photos because you guys liked the classic silver suit more. Then the bet got convoluted and it went through a million iterations down to if his visor went through color correction in post production which is retarded. It was a black suit on the stupid leaked photos and now it’s black suit in the stupid movie. No question Sean gets it. Frank going Vaudeville on Sean trying to song and dance his way out of the bet – total failure.

    Knack bet is only a little more grey of a win, but after looking at Sam’s post below of The Game Junk transcript I’d give it to Frank easily. Smallest version of Knack doesn’t talk. A small version of Knack does, but it’s not the smallest.

    In conclusion, you can argue that the Robocop suit may have been technically augmented in some minor way, but it’s tap dancing around the bet in question. Same goes for Sean breaking out the old cane and top hat trying blow some good old fashioned smoke around the obvious main point that the character in question doesn’t talk.

    My vote:
    Sean: WIN – Robocop Suit Bet
    Frank: WIN – Little Knack Voice Bet

    I love these bets and look forward to more to come, but I gotta say, a movie based on a documentary is not ever remake; not even with Rescue Dawn/ Little Dieter – no way, no how. Total tard town. Sorry Sean, this is like you pronouncing High Fidelity as High FI-delity, but you’re for sure getting good at calling out Frank on his BS these days. Hats off to both all you guys.

  • Lior

    Yeah, I was thinking about Westworld and Futureworld as well. Also, Logan’s Run. You gotta have Logan’s Run in there. One of the quintessential SF 70’s movies. If the listener would like to venture a little back in time, then Forbidden Planet is essential genre viewing.

    And I would add my recommendation to Silent Running. Sooo good and so ahead of it’s time. It’s a shame Douglas Trumbull didn’t direct more films.

  • mrpigeon

    I don’t know if the following webpage (specifically the section on the suit) helps sway the bet result in either Sean or Frank’s favour, but figure I’ll post the link just in case – pretty neat guide on the CG in Robocop. http://www.fxguide.com/featured/robocop-redux-inside-the-films-biggest-scenes/