Film Junk Podcast Episode #407: Jack the Giant Slayer


0:00 – Intro
8:35 – Review: Jack the Giant Slayer
33:00 – Headlines: Seth MacFarlane Will Not Host the Oscars Again, Sam Raimi Might Do Evil Dead 4, Jay and Silent Bob’s Super Groovy Cartoon Movie Trailer
55:40 – Other Stuff We Watched: Ransom, The Insider, Cocktail, Insomnia, Get Shorty, Hard Core Logo, Spawn, Ghost Dad, Role Models, World Trade Center, The Man Who Knew Too Little, Wet Hot American Summer, Sound City, Midnight in Paris, Death Ship, Black Death, The Longest Daycare, The Quiz Hour, Valkyrie, Spies Like Us, Undefeated
2:23:30 – Junk Mail: The Big Package, Steven Seagal is an Intolerable Douche, Supporting Orson Scott Card, Actors with Big Potential That Never Went Anywhere, Funny Sequel Titles, Ratings Conversion, Perfectly Edited Trailers, Movies to End a Relationship
2:58:40 – This Week on DVD and Blu-ray
3:01:15 – Outro

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  • Rob Zombie

    In regards to Orson Scott Card, he is actively wanting to restrict the rights of homosexuals. If I remember correctly, he compares them to pedophiles. So, no, he is not simply one of those people that is against gay marriage.

    I am pulling an Matt Gamble (i.e., his stance against Polanski) on this one, even though I do want to read Ender’s Game — since it is a classic and people like Gamble and Halfyard are big fans — I have not read it. Maybe if I can find a used or library copy; I do not want my money to go directly to the author.

    As far as the film goes, I do not know, since it is a production that involves more than just one author and since no matter how the film performs in box office, Card has already made money from the adaptation fee, if it has a good trailer, I am willing to see the film (maybe theater-hop to it).

  • Matt K.

    But why won’t you buy Ender’s Game? Ender’s Game is not a manifesto against homosexuals. It is a sci-fi novel. You are paying to be entertained not to endorse homophobia.

    When I watch a Polanski film I am not aiding and abetting in the abuse of children. I am paying to see a film, made by a guy who has made questionable choices in the past.

    How far do we take this logic of making sure the creators of movies, music, or books pass some sort of ideological litmus test? Seems like a good way to miss a lot of great entertainment, and also miss out on opposing viewpoints.

  • rjdelight

    Thought you guys would have talked a little about Dawn of the Planet of the Apes. I wasn’t too excited for it after the director/writer change, but the casting over the last week or so has been pretty sweet.

  • Rob Zombie

    The problem ,Matt K., is that Scott Card is using his income derived from his writings to fund organizations that are not to my liking, to put is midly. An analogues case will be the Chick Fil’a protests that occurred about a year ago in the USA.

  • Rob Zombie

    Also, maybe it is too much to ask, but can you guys please add an edit post feature in the comment section. Keep up the great work.

  • Bryan

    Where’s the star ratings? I’m not listening unless Sean gives this at least 3 stars…

    BTW, it’s awesome that Rob Zombie posts here.

  • a horse

    aww yeah, can’t wait

    #5, i’m with ya.

  • jarny

    i lost it when jay said “thats fine” lmaoooo

  • kent88

    In regards to Sean’s rating conversion on Letterboxd.

    There’s no way a 4/5 (an 80%) is still only a 3/4.

  • Tommy

    That Out Of The Blue movie the New Zealander sent is excellent. Jay has to watch it. Not sure where the United 93 comparison comes from though.

  • Goon

    I bought Orson Scott Card’s Enders Game, and hadn’t read it before finding out he was such a rotten person.

    There’s a lot of corporations and artists with views I hate, but I’ll buy stuff from FOX or WalMart or various places from time to time. Not a serial boycotter. But there are others where I feel I can be more than a drop in the water if I actively choose not to support someone, and Card seems like a good example. The fact that he’s actually funding groups that would keep friends and family of mine from rights they should have keeps my money out of his hands regardless of how much or little it has to do with his product.

    In cases where someone has already enjoyed a terrible persons product, I wouldn’t ask them to suddenly start saying it sucked or blah. You like what you like. And I would never tell anyone to judge his art based on his views, or never pay for the art. I’m just saying it would be a lot cooler if you didn’t pay for the art when you know where that money is going.

  • Kent: I just don’t use the 4/5 rating. But now that I think about it, I guess Stan was asking for a conversion from 5 stars to 4 stars?

  • Regardless of Mr. Card (or Mr. Polanski’s) politics, they make good art. Just as I think a lot of great oil paintings (and other art works) come out of catholic guilt. I’m not ready to throw someone’s artistic output under the bus just because they do not happen to conform to the normal standards. I happen to disagree completely with Robert Heinlen’s politics, and Philip K. Dick’s paranoia, but they both happen write great books that expand my worldview. Now, not bothering because the author is a shitty writer (Dan Brown, Steph Meyer) is a completely different reason. There is a lot of stuff out there, and one has to make value judgments. I happen to do it on a ‘content’ basis rather than a sociopolitical one.

    I have no idea how the film adaptation of Ender’s Game will turn out, but the book is pretty great. The time may have passed (a la John Carter) for it to feel fresh on the big screen.

  • I’d be really keen to have you guys see and review some more adult, mature films if the weekend is slow. For your own sanity! I’d have hated seeing Jack the Giant Slayer out of obligation. Don’t let Frank convince you otherwise!

  • FDB

    Just throwing this out there in support of the KOC; I’m pretty sure it was on episode 193 of Smodcast that Kevin Smith talks about his time on Die Hard 4 hanging out with Len Wiseman, at which point he refers to Len Wiseman’s wife as Kate BeckinsDALE. Since he knew her husband, it’s probably safe to assume he also knew first hand the pronunciation of her name. So yeah.

  • FDB

    Correction: it’s Episode 186 of Smodcast just after the 8 minute mark.

  • Re: reviewing “more adult, mature films”.

    I think the question should always be whether or not the movie being reviewed will generate a decent discussion. I don’t think we should always avoid bad movies because they sometimes make for an entertaining show. However, inevitably it is the middle of the road, mediocre blockbusters that fail to inspire much debate.

    We are always open to suggestions from you guys to give us a sense of what people are actually interested in hearing, but there just hasn’t been much to work with as of late. Even DVD and VOD releases have been pretty slow. Older films are always possibilities, but it’s hard to just pick a random movie out of nowhere and say “let’s review this.”

  • patrik

    I think that unless there’s absolutely nothing out there to review, then FJ should continue to cover new releases. I guess it would be cool with some retrospective blockbuster reviews or something. For example, I recently rewatched Peter Jacksons King Kong and I don’t know if there’s any podcast that reviewed it. At least not any that I listen to.

    In regards to Ender’s Game, the book is awesome. I’d definitely recommend it regardless of the writers’ political views. I’m currently reading the second book in the series, I’m not so big on that one though.

  • kent88

    “Older films are always possibilities, but it’s hard to just pick a random movie out of nowhere”

    Maybe when something noteworthy hits Blu-ray for the first time (like “The Hudsucker Proxy” last week) you could review that?

  • Sean,

    You said that a lot better than I did. I agree. It’s great to hear you guys rag on John Carter etc. I’d hate to lose that from the show. But yeah…I could barely be bothered even thinking about “Jack”. I guess we are in that pre summer lull…


    So are you saying Frank is right? I was brought up as a kid with Kate Beckinsale’s Dad (Richard) being a major TV star. No one sticks a “D” in it…regardless of how Kevin Smith pronounced it.
    And trivia for anyone who doesn’t know…at the height of his career he died suddenly around 30 of a heart attack! Shitty!

  • Essie

    As far as older reviews go I do think using VOD stuff would be a better option than seeing a film that there is literally no interest in among the group. You mention that seeing movies you don’t like can create conversation but in a week like this it just causes an undertone of disdain for even having to discuss this stuff.

    Abbas Kiarostami’s new film is on VOD now and it would surely spark some discussion, and Cristian Mungiu’s follow up to 4 Months, 3 Weeks, and 2 Days (a film I think all of you loved) is gonna be on demand next week. Just some titles to consider.

    Also, I thought the review of Project X was really good and fun. Maybe even think about reviewing older movies like that sometimes? I don’t know. Keep up the good work either way.

  • Essie

    Oh, and have you guys made a decision to do away with the Celeb Apprentice talk this year?

  • FDB

    Yeah my point was that Kevin Smith knows Len Wiseman and presumably heard him (Len) pronounce it that way. My line of reasoning is that unless he (Kevin) heard it pronounced that way, there’s no reason for him to use that pronunciation. If he had heard it pronounced without the D (and he very likely would have heard the name spoken, being around Len Wiseman for some time), he would have stopped pronouncing it with the D. It’s a lot of conjecture, but comes from a source only about two degrees removed from Kate Beckinsale herself.

  • #23

    I guess at the end of the day this is a mystery best left unsolved :)

  • #23: All you’ve proven is that Kevin Smith and Frank both think (or thought) her name is Beckinsdale.

    It’s Kate Beckinsale. I don’t understand what the confusion or mystery is.

    If you really need further proof, here’s Ellen DeGeneres introducing Kate BeckinSALE on her talk show. Surely they would’ve made sure they had her name right.


  • Jr

    Actually, I’m pretty sure that when I was at the strip club the other night with Len, he told me that it was Beckinsdale. Of course, he did have a breast in his mouth…

  • Sly

    Thanks for another awesome show. Donation is due.

  • Essie: I believe we will be avoiding weekly Celebrity Apprentice recaps, although a bit of discussion will probably work its way into the show somehow anyway.

  • FDB

    Well no, not over. Not that I want to continue what I would never have guessed would become a debate in the first place, but this is ALL conjecture and theorizing until someone actually hears her say her own name. I was just providing some evidence to back up Frank’s case. That’s it. That’s all.

  • Kasper

    It’s a shame you guys almost completely stopped talking tv. Hearing about stupid game shows or cooking shows is fantastic. The years when Jay had a raging boner for John Ramsey was amazing.

    When there’s weeks with nothing interesting I’d much rather have you guys do like a tv show special and focus on watching X amount of episodes of a given tv show to review it. This would also give Jay an excuse to actually start watching some of the stuff he’s got pilled up other than Pawn Stars and Storage Wars – or it could focus entirely on Storage Wars, I’d be happy either way.

    … OR you could all follow Gregs advice and watch porn. It could be funny if you reviewed one of the porn parodies of real movies with a sizeable budget.

  • I can take most of the responsibility for the lack of TV talk on the show. I suggested we cut TV out completely because I felt that the ‘what we watched’ segment was becoming repetitive and getting too far away from movies. I also think that allowing too much TV talk results in less incentive to make the time to watch movies for discussion on the show.

  • Matt the Kiwi

    Frank, the poster was indeed just packaging. Every time I looked at that thing I would have Twilight flashbacks so it had to go.

    Jay, thrilled that I was some help in your quest to isolate the ‘sauce’ of your instant diarrhoea. A watery stool surprise can really ruin a good hearty laugh.

    #10 My comparison of Out of the Blue to United 93 refers to that fact that they’re both based on real and recent tragic events and they treat this subject matter with a non-stylised approach which seems very respectful to me. Also, I found both movies oddly uplifting in moments which surprised me given how harrowing they are.

    Hope you enjoy the food and the Flynn

  • Greg

    I was probably the biggest offender when it comes to TV talk. Jay made some valid points to me about it and he was right. I think the show is better off without it. Sure, it pops up from time to time, but that’s okay. Maybe we’ll talk Celebrity Apprentice at the end of the show, so for those not interested they won’t have to sit through it.

  • kent88

    Other movies likely to end the relationship if you screen them for a girl:

    “Saló, or the 120 Days of Sodom”
    “Caligula (Unrated)”
    “The Act of Seeing with One’s Own Eyes” (a Stan Brakhage silent documentary short which is just 30 minutes of graphic footage from real autopsies)

  • Why would you ever buy something from someone you find morally abhorrent? It makes me feel like shit. I prefer to not feel shitty. I find it improves my happiness by a factor of 5.

    “How far do we take this logic of making sure the creators of movies, music, or books pass some sort of ideological litmus test? Seems like a good way to miss a lot of great entertainment, and also miss out on opposing viewpoints.”

    As far as an individual wants, you know, free will and all that. I’d rather have a clean conscious and weight behind my convictions then watch a movie or enjoy some bit of entertainment. That’s my choice, and if others don’t want to fine by me. Others, like Halfyard, prefer to be blissfully unaware yet still think they have the moral framework to rant for 20 minutes on how awful it is that Americans like going to the Prom.

    But then, Halfyard is an idiot.

  • patrik

    With the boob song, I have to admit that at first I thought the reactions were real but then I realised that Naomi Watts had a completely different dress and hair in the reaction shot then she had on the red carpet.

  • Kasper

    Thanks for the replies, Jay and Greg. I guess I’m slightly biased on the pro-tv side, as I watch way more tv than movies myself.

    If tv is by and large done for, I’d love it if you’d think about perhaps doing a premium podcast on assorted television once you run out of other straight forward movie franchises to cover. It’d be sad if the world had heard its last Cops tale from you, Jay. A perfect fit for a premium would be you actually getting to direct an episode of Cops and then sharing the experience on the podcast – an instant best seller!

  • Tum Tum Tyranus

    ‘Howling 2: Your Sister is a Werewolf’ is the best sequel subtitle. Or you can go with its alternate title ‘Howling 2: Stirba – Werewolf Bitch’

    Fishface’s best role is in Savage Grace where he beds Julianne Moore who plays his mother :)

    @Matt Gamble #35
    Halfyard rules!

  • Kasper

    P.S. excited to have Scottie appear on the podcast. Will he be joining you in the studio, or is he Skyping it in?

  • Skottie will be joining us via Skype.

    Oh, and by the way, if you have any questions for him, feel free to send them to

  • TTT – I choose to believe that you only exist in Halfyard’s mind.

  • Jacob

    I’d like to put in my vote for Celebrity Apprentice talk definitely working its way into the show!

  • Tum Tum Tyranus

    Gamble – Ha! I like too much horror schlock for that to be true. And I hate Innkeepers, Berberian Sound Studio, and other hogshit of that ilk. So nope.

  • mushroomyakuza

    Guys, when are you gonna review Stoker? You need to, properly, with star ratings and nipple tassles.

  • Gamble, you can have your prom, I’ll keep my Polanski. (I’ll refrain from the most tasteless of jokes that sprang to mind on this comparison).

    I’m clean on my inconsistencies, your moral high ground seems rather selective and inconsistent, I make no claim on being better than anyone else, I only vocalize what I abhor.

  • patrik

    #29 Yes, it’s over. Her name is BeckinSALE. Deal with it. It’s just that some people can’t pronounce it correctly apparently.

    #35 Gamble, just out of curiosity. How would you feel if the person who directed your favorite movie/movies was proven to have been a pedophile long after the fact? Would you burn the blu-ray?

  • kent88

    Yeah, for Gamble’s sake I hope Timur Bekmambetov or the guy who made “The Poughkeepsie Tapes” don’t have any such skeletons in their closets.

  • Liney

    RE: “Spies Like Us” Theme

    There was a very candid bit in Empire film magazine a few months ago. It was the section where they do a quiz with someone about their own films, and it was John Landis. When Spies Like Us came up, he was saying how much he hated the McCartney song, but that he had to use it. And he was actually saying that McCartney was on the phone to him saying, “This is the best thing I’ve written since Wings”, and then he’d sing it to Landis, and Landis was thinking “Oh my god…”!

  • I don’t know how I’ve been inconsistent. I don’t watch Polanski or Salva films and I generally avoid Landis films. There are a few others I avoid that I’m blanking on.

    My general rule is if you murder or rape someone I’m not going to watch your movies. Basically, if I feel morally uncomfortable about watching something, I figure its best to err on the side of caution. I do find it fascinating that people tend to get pretty upset that I make these choices. My morals inform my decision making, that’s it. I’m not better than anyone else because I do that, it just makes me feel better. Some people don’t need that or think about it, I do. It’s as simple as that.

    As for if something happens in retrospect that’s exactly what happened with me with Polanski. I watched Chinatown and Rosemary’s Baby when I was about 15 or so, and it wasn’t until after that I learned more about his case. So I made the decision to not watch his films. No grand gesture needed.

  • patrik

    But when you found out, did that change your opinion on those movies though? Like, I don’t condone what he did or Mel Gibson or whoever it is but when I’m watching The Pianist or Apocalypto, I just don’t think about what they’ve done in their personal lives. It never enters into my brain, so I’m able to enjoy their movies no problem. That’s just me though, I don’t think there’s any right or wrong in these cases, people can do what they want.