Film Junk Podcast Episode #397: The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey

0:00 – Intro
9:30 – Review: The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey
1:05:50 – Headlines: Pacific Rim Trailer, Man of Steel Trailer, Star Trek Into Darkness Trailer
1:22:35 – Other Stuff We Watched: Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves, Uncle Buck, Killer Joe, Finding Nemo, The Dark Knight Rises, Prometheus, Hugo, Bernie, Mirror Mirror, Seeking a Friend for the End of the World, Die Nibelungen: Siegfried, Die Nibelungen: Kriemhilds Rache, Die Hard, Dick Tracy, Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part 2
2:02:05 – Junk Mail: Film Junk Rating Ratios, Foreign Actors Speaking their Native Tongue in Hollywood Movies, Movies We’d Like to See Receive Oscar Nominations, Worst Trilogy Cred and Frank’s Top 5 Animals, Movies with Bleak Endings, Getting Performances Out of Documentary Subjects, Wilhelm Scream
2:35:45 – This Week on DVD and Blu-ray
2:37:33 – Outro
2:40:10 – Spoiler Discussion: The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey

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  • Steve

    I can never un-hear Sean saying “Gandoff.” I will now hear it every time.

  • Matt

    So what else do they have left to do for the next movies? I thought that the ending of the first film was practically the halfway point of the book…

  • I think the first movie only covers 6 out of 19 chapters. Not sure how many pages that is equivalent to, but there should be plenty still to come.

  • Steve

    You gotta rewatch Prometheus before year’s end, Sean. Frank is so right.

  • I’ll try. There’s definitely a chance that I’ll like it more, but there’s no way it’s making my top 10 list, that’s for sure.

  • Owozifa

    I think the biggest missed opportunity for me was in the book the Wargs and Eagles have lines of dialogue. I think the Wargs looks a lot better in The Hobbit. Much more wolf-like. I just wish they’d stuck with giving them a bit more of that role because it would be so much more badass.

    *Slight Spoiler – Universe Background*
    Yeah, I know. I know too much about this, obviously. But the discussion on Gandalf and religion that Jay brought up and just what wizards are doing. The best comparison I can make for Jay is probably like Zeus in Immortals. It’s this universe’s rough equivalent of an incarnate deity (although much more vulnerable). Sauron and Gandalf are roughly of the same order, but Gandalf has taken a mortal form and is thus at a disadvantage.

  • Lori C

    I was so bored throughout The Hobbit & a lot of it was the first Lord of the Rings scene-by-scene. The trolls were cool.

  • Antho42

    Am I the only one that misses the old trailer trash talk music?

  • patrik

    I think I have a very good idea of how they´ve chopped the movie up. I thought this was a good spot to end it, the next movie will obviously mostly take place in the black forest of Mirkwood and whatever stuff Gandalf is up to with the Necromancer. I think it’ll end shortly after a certain barrel scene and the last one will be at the mountain.

    The only issue I had with the movie was the CGI orcs and creatures, otherwise it was very entertaining. Allthough I disagree with Sean and Jay, I thought the first half was better than the second half. The first 15 minutes after Frodo are PERFECT. Started reading the book again yesterday and it’s pretty spot on.

  • patrik

    Oh and that orc villain was invented for the movie. I liked it though, it’s just a shame they didn’t do him with costume and make-up.

  • Owozifa

    I have to admit as soon as Sean asked the question about John Candy I actually said “No” out loud in a stunned fashion at about the same time as Jay and Frank did.

    Oh yeah, Summer Rental. I just happened to have a random screen capture of that movie sitting around.

  • Owozifa

    (The image is also my response to Sean even asking such a question.)

  • I know it seems like I’m making a habit of asking stupid questions just for the sake of discussion, but just to clarify, I think what I was trying to say is that the biggest and most successful movies John Candy was involved in are ones where he was in a supporting role (ie. Spaceballs, Stripes, The Blues Brothers, Vacation, Home Alone, etc.). The ones where he is the headliner are more in the realm of “cult classics”, which is not to say they aren’t good. Planes, Trains and Automobiles would probably be the biggest exception to that rule, but I still feel like I had a point in there somewhere.

  • Brian

    The albino Orc who we see having his arm cut off outside Moria is Azog – in the history of middle earth he actually died in that battle. Jackson is obviously using him as a major antagonist. It’s actually his son Bolg who leads the goblins into the Battle of the Five Armies at the end of the book. So we may see Azog killed at the end of Part 2 – giving his Son the reason to rise up the goblin army. I’m only guessing though.

  • patrik

    Your podcast could be call FranklyJunk, Frank.

  • Speaking if comparing Pacfic Rim to Power Rangers.

  • Kasper

    Just wanted to say I loved the eyebrow discussion. Your reasons for disliking people are very entertaining, Frank, and I loved how Jay shed some light on that, hahaha.

  • Henrik

    Jay needs to grow a pair, he always has this holier-than-thou attitude when the men on the show talk about wanting to (or not to) bang somebody.

  • Henrik

    i came in my pants so fucking hard when frank did his top 5 birds… just some more amazing ideas from the filmjunk, make them happen

  • kyri

    This episode was old-school funny, the pineapple chocolate at the beginning before the Hobbit discussion helped to set the right tone, just like Gregg’s stories did in the past..

    I can send you ethnic chocolates as well if that is what it takes..

  • Frank, Top Five birds. You’re way off.

    5) Peregrine Falcon – 200 mph. nuff said.

    4) Spatchel Tail Hummingbird – watch the mating dance. It’s so fucking cool.

    3) Flamingo – agreed.

    2) Bearded Vulture – first off, just look at him. Rad. Second, he eats the marrow from bones. To get at it, he carries them up many many many feet into the air and then drops them on the rocks below to break them open = awesome.

    1) Bowerbird – each bird becomes an interior decorator at mating season and builds a unique nest or cave with flashy decorations in unique and interesting patterns. Then the female comes along, decides who’s nest looks the coolest and gets it on.

  • @Sean – Gandalf throwing his voice to confuse the trolls could’ve been one of the more fun and interesting bits of dialogue in the whole movie. Not boring!

    I’m pissed that Jackson adds two hours of shit that doesn’t need to be there, but cuts this very subtle but also what could’ve been a great interaction. Of course it’s difficult to work on actual dialogue and characters when you have to focus on technology and CGI.

  • rjdelight

    Forget Ball Junk, Frank and Greg need to start Food Junk asap. The 12-12-12 Whopper challenge would have been amazing!

  • Andrew: I agree that throwing his voice could have been cool but I think the tricky part would be showing the passage of time and the gradual break of dawn.

  • Greg

    Andrew: Maybe we can add golden eagle to yuor top 5 birds list…

  • Tum Tum Tyranus

    Second time Frank has mentioned Power Rangers on the show. I wonder if he’s a fan of henshin/sentai? “Henshin-A-Go-Go Baby!”

    @Henrik #18 In a past episode, didn’t Jay ejack when telling the guys Lizzie Caplan was number 1 on his hit list. I also remember him calling Maggie Q “so fine” or something like that(which is surprising since he hates Asians).

    Lilly Colins talks like Alison Lohman. The way her voice sounds and the way her mouth moves.

  • patrik


    Alison Lohman is here.

    Lily Colins is down here..

  • patrik

    Ok, that didn’t quite work out as planned, there was supposed to be a big empty space between them obviously. Anyway, Lohman is much finer than Colins imo.

    I miss Gregs stories, Jackson square calmed down? You must have seen something crazy in the last few weeks of christmas shopping while stocking book shelves, surely? I always love/loved the random stories to open up the podcast before getting into more serious shit but it seemed to be more of a regular feature back in the day.

  • Steve Kasan

    Outro song?

    Sean, dude, rewatch Prometheus!

  • Bob

    Is there any other reason aside from the obvious ($$$) for why The Hobbit was made into a trilogy? It’s a much, much smaller story to tell than LoTR. Making matters worse is this first installment is 2 hours and 45 minutes. And, to add to the insult, there is this from the always trust worthy site,

    Extended Edition! Make it stop! Please make it stop! Didn’t Jackson learn anything from his incredibly long and boring take on King Kong?

  • Essie

    The outro song is Kill for Love by Chromatics.

    Looking forward to the Jingle All the Way discussion! ^_^

  • I’ve caught the tail end of “Hobbit” a few times at my theater now. Are they on a quest to the Paramount logo? That sure is what it looks like. Maybe we’ll find out next Christmas in the second film, “The Hobbit: An Inconvenient Mountaintop”.

  • T. Heilman

    “I didn’t loathe it… it just made me want to retch”. Jay’s comment on Seeking A Friend perfectly encapsulates my feelings on most contemporary films. Also gave me a good laugh.

  • Kasper

    Seeking a Friend for the End of the World was truly horrible. Jay is right on the money there. I usually love Kiera Knightley, but she was incredibly annoying.

  • I just saw “Seeking a Friend” right before listening to the podcast, and it WAS kind of a mess. The tone was all over the place, and it may have been better if it could just commit itself to one thing or another. I really like the wacky “Fuck it, the world’s ending, let’s just do whatever we want!” stuff, as we’ve seen way too much doom and gloom in every OTHER end of the world movie, but then it did a 180 and became a serious road movie and started to feel like those other flicks, and I’m not sure a different ending could have saved it.

    Speaking of the end of the world, can we expect another discussion of Roland Emmerich’s “2012” in an upcoming “Other Stuff We Watched”? It’s probably the most historically inaccurate movie ever, or at least the most historically inaccurate since “2010”.

  • Gerry

    Between you all you covered most of my points re The Hobbit.

    I acclimatised almost immediately to the HFR but for the first half I didn’t like looking onto a soundstage, I wanted to watch a film.

    I felt embarrased for the actors in the feast at Bilbo’s house as it looked as if they were over-acting because of the ultra reality and I thought the early CGI was shit.


    However from the meeting with Sauron onwards it was as if they managed to get the hang of shooting with HFR and they captured a more film like look for the most part. The fact that it became really good from that point helped.

    The CGI from the giants fight onward looked great to me too, very convincving.

    Gollum in particular came across as ghouish and dangerous for the first time in these films.

    What part of Ireland are you visiting Jay?

  • Emil

    Not a big fan of the 48 FPS, although some of the terrain scenery was amazing and sometimes felt worth it, the rest of the movie it was just to distracting. Goblin cave was good in 48 fps too, though i’ll see next two movies in 2D.

    4 stars for me.

  • MrHorse

    mr jay, i dunno, i’m not sure how to put this
    but i know that you know that a work (of art) should and can be judged by its own. it can’t be any other way, really

    “you haven’t read the book
    you need to see the entire anthololology
    ..and buy the cassettes”
    nah, wrong.

    so.. 0.5 for flight, and 3.5 for the hobbit. oh c’mon

    sirs, splendiferous podcast
    kudos to all

  • Owozifa

    “Gerry is a pretty bleak movie.”

    Gerry is a pretty bleak person, too.

  • bugsyoz

    Bindaberg ginger beer?

    Even though I’m not a bender (in that context bender is ‘Queenslander’…banana bender)..believe you mean Bundaberg.

    And re Tim Tams…fantastic stuff, and go the expanded product line (Turkish Delight Tim Tams….)

  • scott

    Good podcast, even if the movie sucks.


  • Lior

    Finally got to hear you guys review The Hobbit and thought you made some great points – why aren’t all the dwarves look like actual dwarves? Good question. I have no idea. It didn’t distract me enough to put it down as a flaw, though. And the Eagles thing… yeah, that’s a problematic plot device to say the least.

    But all in all the movie was amazing. I watched it in the ancient method of 2D and 24 fps so no distractions there.

    One thing I found odd is the almost unanimous criticism you had of the prologue that connects this film to FOTR. It barely clocks in 10 minute screen time and does a fine job of establishing the connection between the two. I think it would’ve been weird to just start the movie without some kind of a framing device considering the LOTR films have been done previously. It’s also a nice gesture (not pandering) for fans to see Frodo again.

    It’s almost bittersweet, realizing we’re watching his final days as an innocent Hobbit. It reflects nicely on Bilbo’s story as well.

  • Steve

    Speaking of John Candy movies, has anyone ever seen “Armed and Dangerous”? I put that on my Netflix queue when looking for Candy movies I haven’t seen. I freakin’ love him in his John Hughes-written roles.

  • merk

    concerning the ‘riddles in the datk’ scene, there were actually several more riddles in the book that were excluded from the movie. this was my favorite scene, and i agree that visually and performanee-wise Gollum/Serkis really upped the ante from the LOTR. Being a fan of the book I can say there are many many discrepancies between the two. Radigast, specifically, (sp?) is only breifly mentioned in passing in the book. As for the Pale Orc, I don’t know where that came from. Peter Jackson has taken far too many liberities with this movie. Furthermore, Tolkien depicts the dwarfs as bumbling, comical and often cowardly characters. Thorin is not Aragorn. Tolkien made him little more than a greedy, bombastic fool. Overall The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey was a major disappointment. The Hobbit, unlike LOTR, is not an epic. It is more an adventure of errors; that is, the dwarfs, through stupidity or lack of foresight, find themselves into some unpleasant situation and either Gandalf or Bilbo turns up and saves the day.

  • merk

    pounded that out in a hurry. sorry for the typos.

  • kim chi

    the guy saying 48fps look worst in motion is a complete moron.. its crystal clear when it pans.. even fast and for this movie makes the action so clear and amazing.. esp the goblin scene, ive seen it in 24fps also and i can say that every time the camera moves, its blurry..

    the visuals with 3d and 48fps is gorgeos and 3d needs to be at 48fps to get the full effect.. and it shows.

    anyone only watching in 24fps are missing out completely.. have fun with blurry action idiots

  • Tum Tum Tyranus

    Have fun with muted colors and darkness motherfucker. Until they get rid of the *shades, 3d will always blow.