Film Junk Podcast Episode #379: The Watch

0:00 – Intro / Olympic Fever
9:30 – Review: The Watch
34:20 – Headlines: More Movie Theatre Scares, Gangster Squad to Be Re-Edited and Delayed, The Hobbit To Become a Trilogy, Life of Pi Trailer, Cloud Atlas Trailer
55:50 – Other Stuff We Watched: Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter, Hostel, Hostel: Part II, Hostel: Part III, Invasion of the Body Snatchers, Bullhead, Outland, Brainstorm, To Die For, A Simple Plan, The Dark Knight Rises, Dick Tracy, Casa de mi Padre, Breaking Bad
2:06:10 – Junk Mail: TDKR Plotholes, The Believability of Catwoman + Ass-Kicking Females, TMNT + Big Brother, Movie-Themed Bedrooms, Movie Discussions Are Too Focused on the Present, Best Vegas Movies, My Little Pony + Neutered Action Heroes
2:45:00 – This Week on DVD and Blu-ray
2:48:20 – Outro

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  • Matt

    4 stars for the watch??? I’m losing faith in the king of comedy…

  • dirrrtyfrank

    I gave it a light 3 …just a post error I believe.

  • antho42

    A video podcast on the hot dog challenge will be awesome.

  • antho42

    Speaking of the Hostel series, Jay, you should check out Takeshi Miike’s Audition. In my opinion, it is his masterpiece.

  • rjdelight

    Frank, please stop watching trailers. You’re always complaining about the best stuff being in the trailers. Especially trailers for comedies. I mean as the King of Comedy, I can’t believe you’re actually watching the red band trailers for these R rated comedies. Your sense of humor will thank you for it.

  • I haven’t listened to the podcast yet, but I just saw the “movie-themed bedrooms” thing in the notes, which reminded me of a conversation I was having with a couple of friends yesterday. We were talking about the MTV show “Cribs” and how I’d like to see a “where are they now?” edition that shows what all the flash-in-the-pan acts did when the money ran out, and how if I was a rapper, I’d take a room in my house and devote it to an Al Pacino movie that WASN’T “Scarface”. I’d have the greatest “Sea of Love” shrine EVER. At that point, my buddy said his bedroom would be the “Glengarry Glen Ross” room, because that’s where he closes all the deals.

  • Brainstorm is indeed a great movie, but the end creeps me the fuck out for some reason. I think any movie that tries to show what ‘death’ is kinda creeps me out. Jacob’s Ladder does too, but that one is more the fucked up imagery. This one is more Walken’s performance of experiencing the death and the look on his face by the end. Walken is pretty creepy in his own right, but him hamming it up almost like in Dead Zone just gives the whole scene a creepiness that wouldn’t be there otherwise.

    I guess it doesn’t help that I first saw this on cable when I was a kid of about 6 or 7 and didn’t really know what the hell was happening at the end except that it was bad.

    Jay covered the movie pretty well but there was another good scene of Walken’s kid in the movie wanting to check out his dad’s project and unfortunately using the military torture ‘tape’ rather than the sex one he wanted if I remember right. It ends about as well as you would expect.

    But yeah, good film. Good podcast as usual guys.

  • Tum Tum Tyranus

    Frank, your rating system is ghetto. 2.5 stars is bad? Does that mean 3 stars, which most consider good, is just an okay rating?

    The consensus with critics is 2 stars is fair/pass, 2.5 is okay, 3 is good…and so on.

  • Fixed Frank’s rating… It was indeed a 3.

  • antho42

    Just get rid of the ratings.

  • Okay.

  • rjdelight

    Speaking of Doug Nagy, you guys need to get him back on the podcast. It’s been way too long. The Expendables 2 perhaps??

  • projectgenesis

    Or Reed for Total Recall!

  • Are you guys saying that the four regulars just aren’t enough?

    Seriously though, we’d like to have both of these guys on but every time we try to set it up, things don’t work out. It’s a lot more complicated now that I’m in a different city.

  • rjdelight

    I would forgo my hatred of Skype for a Nagy appearance.

  • sansho1

    The CG in Cloud Atlas didn’t bother me nearly as much as Tom Hanks and his now-trademark dull preciousness. Must he invest. Every. Word. With. Such. Import. It’s like taking a very slow beating.

  • The most recent Letterboxd list I did for a Film Junk Podcast was Savages

    I’m taking a break from doing them for now, but if any other Film Junk and Letterboxd fans wants to pick up the mantle, I encourage it. I just suggest using the same heading and title format for consistency’s sake, and tag it with “film junk podcast”.

  • Nuno

    How can you question someone’s authority on hotdogs when their name is Frank?

    I used to get hankerings for Ikea dogs but as I got older and more discerning I stopped going to Ikea all together. The Ikea hotdog is representive of everything at Ikea – cheap but barely passable. On the other hand, Costco hotdogs are incredibly satisfying and a much better value.

    I got your back, Frank. I even had a Costco hotdog last night. They never disappoint.

  • rjdelight

    Love Greg’s idea for the pulp heroes premium podcast. Add it to the list.

  • rjdelight

    Is there a link to those movie themed bedrooms?

  • Columbine Sean. That was the terror du jour that fucked Fight Club and numerous other supposedly bloodthirsty movies at the end of the decade.

  • Ah yes, I don’t know why I couldn’t think of it at the time. Thanks.

  • I’ve seen a lot of Richard Ayoade’s work both in front and behind the camera and appreciate that he is an acquired taste much like Steve Coogan state-side.

    His intention is clearly to develop as a director and writer and not to be the next Zach Galifinakis but that won’t stop his buddies and admirers brazenly incorporating him into their projects solely because they dig his schtick.

  • Nuno

    My childhood room had a scary Roman catholic church theme, complete with half a dozen rosaries, crosses, framed pictures of the pope, Jesus and Mary and far too many statues of bloody-faced Jesus and praying children on their knees.

    Suffice to say, yanking it in bed was awkward with all of those prying eyes.

  • Sean: Ayoade is pronounced I-yo-ah-day.

  • And that’s an i and not an L


  • That hot dog debate was epic.

    I also like Greg’s idea for a premium podcast.

  • Warner Brothers, who did let Nolan have his way with Batman to mostly successful results, also greenlit “Catwoman” and “Steel”, so using “the studio signed off on it” as proof of a studio having the best interests of the characters in mind isn’t necessarily true. I don’t know how involved DC Comics was in overseeing those films (or any other films relating to their properties), but they are, and forever will be, WB’s bitch.

  • I just remembered, I saw bits and pieces of “Step Up 4: Step-Upocalypse” (or whatever the fuck it is) at my theater, and apparently there’s a sequence where street dancers are causing some sort of confusion (I know!), and wouldn’t you know it, they’re decked out in gas masks and vests. “Gangster Squad”, a film geared towards adults, gets delayed and butchered, but this comes out the very week after the Colorado shootings, it’s aimed specifically at teens and the mentally handicapped of all ages, and there are no delays, cuts, or any warning of any kind. Fuckin’ studio politics…

    On a serious note though, has anyone pointed out that “Gangster Squad”, like “Dark Knight Rises”, is a Warner Brothers film? While I feel that they in no way should shoulder any blame whatsoever for that piece of shit in Colorado doing what he did (he was looking to kill as many as he could, and it could have very well happened 4 months later in something like Breaking Dawn, the NEXT big film that will have a shit ton of people in it), do you think that what they’re doing with “Gangster Squad” is an effort on their part to kind of keep the connection between their two films as loose as possible? As far as their business is concerned, it IS incredibly bad luck on their part, but more heat on the studio itself could mean more trouble for their future slate of films, so I can understand “Gangster Squad” being the sacrificial lamb.

    One last thing (maybe I should listen to the WHOLE thing before commenting): The “Alice” DVD talk reminded me of this guy I met at a commercial audition this last Saturday. We were both reading for the same thing, and when we got in front of the camera, we were supposed to say our name, age, and something interesting about ourselves. This guy gets up there, says his name, his age (he was 30 but looked 40), and just goes down this laundry list of stuff he could do, like voices, impersonations, sing showtunes in 4 different languages and shit like that. The guy’s lack of self-awareness was embarrassing and the people conducting the audition just kept egging him on, like “Come on, do an impersonation for us!”. So, in 2012, on camera, as part of an effort to score a paying gig in a national commercial, someone busted out “Well, kiss my grits!” in an audition. Yeah. When it was my turn, I simply stated my name and my age, and that my talents included NOT looking my age and being a jack of all trades, but a master of none. I got a job, but this other dude was excused awfully early in the process…

  • bard

    Sean, a handful of episodes back you mentioned how you, Jay, and Frank were going to do a third movie organization manifesto and to have us send in questions/stories. Do you know when that is going to be done?

  • Yeah we kind of let that slide a bit and it’s probably my fault. They could definitely record it on their own without me and they might have to do that, but we’ll see if we can arrange something this month.

  • bard

    No hurry, Lord knows you guys put out a TON of content, I was just curious. Looking foward to it whenever it arrives!

  • I like/love everything I’ve seen from Timur Bekmambetov thus far. That is all.

  • Zac

    @Sean In regards to this season of Breaking Bad, I have a feeling we’re going to see some of Walt’s humanity very soon. The opening of this season, in my opinion, is an indication of that.

  • Vikke_AJ

    Greg’s idea for the premium podcast was great! Personally I would prefer that over the ones already in the pipeline.

  • Bob

    I like Greg’s idea for a premium podcast too.

    Also wouldn’t mind one where each of you pick a movie that at least 2 of the others haven’t seen. Even better if it’s one you think the others may hate yet you love or vice versa.

  • bard

    Zac, I completely disagree. Walt has to end up being the villain. He already is. His ego is taking over and he’s obsessed with power and control over everyone and everything in his life. Ironic since he has zero control over his illness. I predict that he does die and it will his own fault instead of the cancer.

  • Zac

    Bard, I agree with most of what you’re saying, but I feel like there’s still some humanity left in him.

  • I love the What We Watched segment. Maybe it’s just me. If Film Junk was only about the newest releases it wouldn’t have been the same thing.
    By the way, Letterboxd is a treasure trove of “old movies” being discussed, watched and rated on a regular basis.

    Greg, the game you’re thinking about might be Vegas Showdown.
    Other films in Vegas: Diamonds Are Forever, and the underrated Lucky You.
    It’s curious how few Vegas films there are that DON’T have Vegas in the title.

  • Did anyone say “Leaving Las Vegas”? And let us not forget “Honey, I Blew Up the Kid”.

  • 1) I don’t agree that There Will Be Blood is a “masterpiece.” It has a lot of problems – we’ve debated it endlessly on R3 and I agree with Sean for giving it a not perfect score. The laughing at him for giving it a 2.5 or whatever was out of line.

    2) On star ratings: here we go…

    I think the way all of you rate movies is totally fair and everyone should do it their own way. I like that you each went through and qualified your systems and they seemed to be all about the same. Except Frank (2.5 is bad?).

    I agree with rounding up a bit. If I’m torn I always just give a movie the benefit of the doubt just for being a movie :) and I bump it up. No more of this “light” or “heavy” crap. Shit or get off the pot.

    I also agree that when ranking movies at the end of the year, it should NOT necessarily go by what your star ratings were throughout the year. I think Frank just looks at all his star ratings and then ranks those. That’s boring and strangely odd. Giving Avengers 4.5/5 stars definitely does not mean it’s going to be in my year end top ten. There will likely be some 3.5/5 and 4/5 star films that will beat it out simply because their content appeals to me more and various other reasons.

    Lastly, I DO subscribe to the philosophy of saving a 5/5 for that perfect film that moves me in every way. For me, a 5/5 is a grand experience that happens very seldom (unfortunately). So far it hasn’t happened to me yet this year. I DON’T limit the number of 5 stars I give in any given time period as Sean suggested some people do (that’s weird and dumb). I wish all of the movies I saw moved me in that way. They just don’t. So if I give something 4/5 it means it was a really solid film and I’d probably rewatch it. 4.5/5 is a magnificent film that I will own and probably rewatch several times – it is just missing one little spark to push me over the edge, that spark could be any number of things and I know it when I see it.

  • Henrik

    Jay himself said, in the There Will Be Blood review, that if he had reviewed before the end of the year, it might have broken his top 10, but it wouldn’t be near the top (which had No Country for Old Men I believe), but rather “somewhere near Eastern Promises at 8 or 9″. So yeah, the laughing was definitely out of line. There Will Be Blood needs to be watched twice, more true with this movie than almost any other.

    You guys completely misinterpreted my question… My point isn’t that Kurt Russell is somehow a beefy bulky dude who can do action and new Bourne people aren’t, my point is that Snake Plissken was a million times better on a motorcycle than this Bourne dude, and it seems stupid to regress in skill like this. Action heroes used to be able to do shit, now they’re just quick thinkers.

  • Lior, it’s not just you. I love the What We Watched segment too. Maybe most of all.

    On movie rating, I (like Andrew) tend to reserve my perfect score (10/10 or 5/5) for the films that feel the most special in my mind. I don’t have a limit to the number of these I give in a year, but it usually turns out to be from 4 to 8 or so after I’ve seen 50+ movies. I use a 10 point scale since I’ve been logging them into for about 12 years now- easily translated into a 5-star with half stars scale at Letterboxd. The first half of this scale is a scale of unfavorability. 2.5 stars is “not good”, 3 stars is “good” and the lowest pass. The top 3 spots (4, 4.5, 5 stars) are movies I would recommend, at least to fans of that genre. Genre, production year, budget are taken onto account. And I think “fun” can make up for artistic merit, and vice versa. When I’m thinking of a rating, I’m not comparing the movie to all other movies- just to others in its genre categorization.

    One thing I am against is re-rating a movie without re-watching it. Too much of that could get you into trouble. If you can’t re-watch all of your contenders before making a year-end list, I see no problem with using your star ratings as a starting point. I have 6 perfect 5-star ratings from 2010. Why shouldn’t they all be in my top 10- even my top 6? If while the movie was fresh in my mind I thought that highly of it, why should I change my mind now that it’s not as fresh? There’s still the question of how to order them, and what others to round out the top 10 and honorable mentions.

  • Henrik

    What We Watched is the best segment, especially when you guys happen to have seen something I care about. Sometimes it turns into the worst segment, if you don’t understand a movie the same way I did, but it’s a lot better than the pseudo-ironic news segment and the DVD releases relevant only to NA!