Great clip

SPOILERS. Just to help explain Thalia’s “Scooby Doo” moment. Right before her explanation, she does hear Batman say to Bane something like “You’re not the only one to climb out of the pit.”

And Bane replies something like: “I didn’t climb out of the pit, I wasn’t the child.”

And then Thalia tells her story.

So it doesn’t come completely out of nowhere. Though, to Jay’s point, it is a movie explanation. Or – to Greg’s point – it is a quintessential comic book explanation.

re: Same series, multiple roles

Bruce Campbell in Spider-Man, biggest example.

I don’t think Sean will appreciate Joseph Gordon Robin taking a piss on commissioner Gordon in TDKR..

Sean will give it a 2.5 or 3. I bet money on that.

Yeah… overall the film had a lot of problems, especially in the script. surely the most comic-bookie out of them all. but I loved it…

I really enjoyed it as part of the trilogy. a. 4/4..

it is the worst criss nolan film to date. but it is still a really good film overall.

I wish he didn’t change the voice of Bane.

best part of the film? …..Catwoman in everything.

worst part? …… Mallorie’s death (the performance)

anyways.. cheers. great show guys..

@Jericho Slim – Exactly.

Excellent DKR discussion. I had most of the problems that Jay had (actually a lot more) until I saw the movie a second time.

Bane was easily understandable, like Frank I would have preferred it to be more muffled and distorted.

Great show guys but the movie doesn’t need a extended discussion breaking down every single thing in the movie. Come on! what happen to just enjoying something! By the end of the podcast i think you guys convinced yourself you hated the movie. Lol.

I doubt anyone was too concerned about the clarification of there having been an African American Bucky at some point in Captain America but I had to google “Bucky Battlestar” for my own satisfaction:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlestar_%28comics%29

Awesome J5 clip, however it would be even better if one day you slip in the clip from Albinoman where Sean goes “I have seen the face of evil, and it is terrorism!”

**SPOILERS**

….Some things that would’ve made TDKR a better film…

-)Remove the “escape from the Lazarus Pit” scene.

ok. DO Have Bane brake Batman’s back ..but if you don’t want to kill him.. then have bane just abandon him . (more normal than taking him to a pit in India if you ask me)
Now that creates a small plothole as well -why didn’t he kill him?- but it is more easy to patch a hole than ..a pit
…

I don’t know.. Have one of Bane’s men ask “are you not going to finish him off?, What if he is still alive?” ..and have Bane say “it’s not about killing, it’s about sending a message” (a crippled batman sends a message) – ///but a different message than the one Joker wanted to send..

…or just have Bane say WHATEVER. … anything to avoid the pit scene.

… Have Catwoman save Bruce and take him to a proper hospital. maybe share a room with commissioner Gordon? Give Anna Hathaway (peach) a character exploration scene instead of introducing those guys in the pit. this would ‘ve justified A LOT BETTER their later-on relationship.

for further exploration..
since you introduced the love triangle thing mr Nolan

why not have a scene in the hospital with Mallorie – Catwoman -Bruce/batman?
why not have bruce actually choose the woman who is going to betray him over the one that actually ‘saves’ him at the end? ….or have Mallorie visit Bruce in the hospital pretending to care… and have…good old tragic -love triangle-scene…

I don’t know.. it just felt that this film was a bit too much all over the place, it didn’t have the clear vision that the other two films had..

…..I liked it over all… but … just some things inside it….

….who gives them food in that pit by the way?… and why they have a telly..?
(…..)

oh, BY THE WAY…

about the SOUND WAVES

the CONE is created because of the WINGS of the airplane.

a rocket for example DOES NOT CREATE A CONE it creates this effect:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsDEfu8s1Lw

Sorry.. we need to be accurate here.

there is a lot of bad direction / ideas in the film.

Nolan does a number of scenes three times PARTICULARLY the Harvey Dent Memorial scenes at the beginning WHICH is 8 years after the fact?! And is only there to make note of why all the criminals are off the street.

This film goes back and repeats the problems from Batmen Begins – to much philosophizing and conflicts that are not based on the personal but the societal. How Nolan forgot what worked so well in Dark Knight is mind-numbing.

The choice of covering Bane’s face with the respirator for the entire film is misguided and robs a great actor of a chance to show more range. Why Nolan didn’t do a Darth Vader like helmut off scene, or more dramatic and risky, let Bane only receive gas thru the nostrils! (I DON”T CARE ABOUT COMICS – DIFFERENT MEDIUM)

Nolan is a master at geeky / high concept action but he still has not learned how to direct hand to hand fighting with interesting choreography and camerawork.

Nolan implies 5 month, 12 million siege of Gotham and we get street scenes that wouldn’t make the B roll on ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK. 12 million people and the street are empty, we get fight scene between a couple hundred villains and cops – weak. (nolan no liky CGI) Nolan has displayed a clothes fetish for some time now and here it works against him as Commissioner Gordon and others run around clean streets in pressed Banana Republic!?

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY TOOOOOO LOOOOOOOOOONG the whole Robin stuff has no point, cut it, spare me. Nolan obliviously can not say no to any actor he has ever worked with and finds a place for them in every film (evidence – scarecrow is back)

The Batwing was dumb and heavy, again Nolan’s fetishes do him wrong here. He loves all things practical but hanging that real prop above the street just doesn’t hold up.

So the ending was just a sick practical joke on Alfred?! Real cool Batman

Hey Rus, why don’t you copy and paste the same thing under every post since you’ve already done it once. Also, how about trying not to sound like such a know-it-all ass in everything you write.

Step Up Revolution > The Watch

Wait … There’s a new Batman film out?

I second Nuno on seeing Boy Wonder. Saw it on Netflix streaming a month ago. It was good. The liked soundtrack too. The songs were more used for background music as opposed to theme music driving the scenes.

Glad Jay schooled Frank on the cone thing. I had no idea either. I… like it now, too…

Very interesting episode. I loved the conversation about the “original” voices in American cinema. Fincher and Anderson (P.T.) are definitely original. Although I see a lot of seventies film making in Fincher’s work (Pakula’s conspiracy trilogy and Chinatown). That being said, I think Soderbergh could be included in that group as well. As a director he reveres the past and yet his films feel very fresh (to me anyway). The Limey and Haywire (minor works I’ll admit) are very stylish and original works.

SPOILER:

I also feel that Nolan intended for Officer/Detective Blake to be a replacement for Batman, yet by naming him Robin, he is able to side-step having a costumed hero named Robin. If he wanted to set him up to become “Robin” he could have had the reveal name be Dick Grayson. By revealing his actual name as Robin, he gives a nod to the comic character while letting you know instantly that he’s meant for something more, yet it eliminates the possibility of him becoming a costumed hero named Robin, which just doesn’t fit very well in Nolan’s universe.

So, he is “Robin,” but he isn’t, and he’s also Batman’s successor and possibly could even be trained by Bruce Wayne. The big question is whether we’ll see this actually happen in a new Batman movie.

I liked the way Bane was taken out. He was awesome and did a LOT of cool stuff in the movie. When I left, his voice was overwhelming my brain. I was just giddy with Banisms. However, he’s evil, and evil is banal. So, he should have a banal ending. He ended so many people’s lives so suddenly that that is the way he would go. You die like you live. I really love this movie. Only thing that would make it better is if, instead of John Blake, it was Cassandra Cain helping Batman like she did in the awesome NO MAN’S LAND comics. She is by far my favorite Batman character. Also, did anyone else notice that the businessman Dagget was from the cartoon series? He was the corrupt businessman who created Clayface! I noticed right away, but sorta thought he was going to turn into Clayface. That would have been awesome! I vote Clayface, Manbat, and Batgirl for the next movie!

Cheers!

Scott
@BarbarianComic

I hate these comments. I’ll give them a 4 out of 4.

***SPOILERS***

Whenever they get around to the next Batman film, or if by some minor miracle JLA materializes first, are we going to find out at the beginning that Blake decided 5 minutes after the end of DKR that he didn’t want to follow in Bruce’s footsteps and has just been sitting on his ass for 8 years?

“Dark Knight Rises” had to have one of the most anti-climactic BEGINNINGS for a sequel ever. Oh, Batman just STOPPED after “Dark Knight”? No new adventures? No new enemies popped up in the meantime? No blanks to fill in? Weak…

Q: What was the big deal about needing Bruce Wayne’s fingerprints? Nothing seemed to come of it in the end.
Any ideas?