Open Forum Friday: Is the American Action Movie Dead?

The release of The Raid: Redemption in theatres across North America this month has served as a wake-up call to action movie aficionados everywhere. The hard-hitting martial arts film has been earning rave reviews from just about everyone (except Roger Ebert), and it has sparked a debate over the stale and overstuffed state of America’s own action movies. An article by Adam Sternbergh appeared in The New York Times a few weeks ago entitled How the American Action Movie Went Kablooey, calling out Hollywood for losing its dominance in the genre. His theory is that Last Action Hero was the movie that put the final nail in the coffin, and that CG-heavy superhero movies have basically taken over ever since.

I think we can all agree that ’80s action movies died out for a reason (partially because they did become a parody of themselves), but I find it interesting that this article is coming at a time when we’ve also seen a bit of a resurgence in old school action thanks to Sylvester Stallone’s The Expendables. Although I do agree that American action movies have largely become cartoony CG extravaganzas, I don’t necessarily think that Sly and Arnold’s replacements have been all bad. If anything, Hollywood has learned to make action movies with people who can actually act, and I think a lot of people would argue that directors like Christopher Nolan have elevated the action genre to respectability. What do you think? Has America dropped the ball when it comes to putting action on the big screen? Are Hollywood action movies now being trumped by releases from many other parts of the world or can they still hold their own? Can any summer blockbuster hope to top The Raid: Redemption in terms of sheer energy and excitement? Give us your thoughts here on Open Forum Friday.



  • Steve

    It depends on what you define as an action movie. To me, most of the superhero blockbusters that come out these days count as action movies, and Christopher Nolan even uses predominately practical effects. You also have the Fast and Furious franchise, which doesn’t use CG very heavily.
    Seems a bit like nostalgia-griping to me.

  • BubbleDubble

    I love LAST ACTION HERO.

  • Agree with Steve above that it all depends on your definition of an action movie. The Raid is a Martial Arts film. That sub-genre has never been the bread-and-butter of Hollywood anyway.

    Mission Impossible 4 was a great action movie, so were the Bourne films, especially those directed by Greengrass. I don’t see superhero movies as action movies, I see them as Fantasy films with action elements.

    That CGI blood in The Expendables was a distraction more than anything, but CGI is a problem with action movies in general, not just American ones.

  • Okay, now that I read the article I disagree even more. There seems to be a kind of nostalgic vibe going on for the 80’s movies with the machine guns, the carnage and the explosions. I agree that Die Hard is a masterpiece of the genre, but… Commando is a great action film? Really?
    I think the American action film didn’t disappear, it simply changed. Bringing Aliens as an example is also not a valid argument, since Cameron is a great action director that always excels independently of the genre trends in Hollywood.

    The article doesn’t mention Speed, made in 1994 (after Last Action Hero) and a very different kind of action film: Minimal explosions, no beefy guys with machine guns mowing down hordes of baddies, and it’s American, and it’s a super exciting, pure action film.

  • Jeff

    Is the American action movie dead? YES. I’m not really talking about how the genre somehow “switch” to superhero movies but more like how Hollywood do really suck in making action scene. Action scene is the bread and butter of action movies. Action scene is the thing that action fans pay to see. Hollywood has no problem in making drama scene but in action scene they do really suck for such a long time.

    The Raid, albeit it’s a MA action movie, gives the PERFECT example on how to make action scene. For most part they simply making fun of Hollywood three action scene formula : Quick Cuts, Close Ups, and Shaky Cam. The camerawork and the editing were top notch (it’s actually different than most of MA movies ever made, especially in HK or Thai). They also tried to tell Hollywood that action fans don’t really care about those shitty story and needless romance bullshit. Just make a simple story and focus on the action. Lior gave great examples there in Speed (1994) and Die Hard (1988). MI4 unfortunately is not really a good example as it went down the cliff after the Dubai scenes. But the Dubai scenes themselves have to be included as examples on how to make good action scenes.

    The Expendables is a good example on how to make a bad action movie. Bad action scenes and needless story/characters. Bourne movies? they were the one who started those three action scene formula in the first place.

    Christopher Nolan is not a good action director. Not yet. There’s only one good action scene is The Dark Knight (the trailer truck scene) while the others were mediocre. But we didn’t care much because the non-action scenes were terrific (and I don’t really call TDK an action movie actually). Most of the action scenes in Inception were also mediocre apart from the hallway fight (and that was short).

  • Jsin

    Is Drive an action movie?

  • How is The Raid a wake-up call? I’ve heard it’s great, but I haven’t seen it, and that’s the problem. No one has seen it. At least not general audiences, the people voting with their dollars. It didn’t have a wide opening in the U.S., and it hasn’t made a lot of money in the U.S., so it isn’t going to change a thing. Maybe some American filmmmakers will see it and be influence by it, but it’s still probably going to be business as usual for a while. The people complaining that American action flicks are stale that say that foreign releases are where it’s at are very few in the overall scheme of things, a very vocal minority.

    Also, I don’t understand how Last Action Hero was the last nail in the coffin. If anything, it’s when action movies became more self-aware. It was like Scream for action movies. That same year, we had Demolition Man, which kind of pulled the same trick. After that, we had a good run of clever action flicks, like the aforementioned Speed, True Lies, The Rock (which featured an Oscar winner as an everyman’s action hero), Face/Off, and plenty more. If ANYTHING put a nail in the coffin of action flicks as we knew them, it was The Matrix, which was a CG-fest, a very good, innovative one at that, which became the template for crazy action for the next decade.

  • Steve Kroodsma

    @Jsin Drive is a drama with a few action elements. I wouldn’t count it as a straight up action film. @Lior, I forgot about the Bourne films, those are a perfect example. Greengrass really knows how to put together a good action sequence.

    I disagree with you, Jeff. First off, the Raid isn’t a wall to wall action film. There’s plenty of plot in there (the brother, the thing with their captain, trying to save the downed cop, etc.), it’s just very well handled. You can’t have just pure action and no character development, or you might as well just watch UFC matches. The Expendables has lots of corny moments, sure, but I think that film is an exception because the point is to make a fun action throwback, not make a masterpiece like Die Hard or First Blood.

  • deadmic3

    Can’t one of these types of movies ever not take itself seriously without having to enter into the self-aware-meta-realm?

  • patrik

    Last Action Hero is awesome so he’s wrong there. I guess there is a downward spiral but there’s still some decent action movies coming out.

  • anonymiss

    lifes a garden, just dig it. thats how i approach wrestling/american action movies

  • Oh, another reason why Last Action Hero wasn’t the final nail: It wasn’t successful. It was different in that it poked fun at it itself, but it was also Schwarzenegger’s least successful film of the decade, a flop even, which may have indicated that people didn’t WANT to see anything different yet. While I think that American action movies maybe evolved a bit in the mid-90s, I still think that Matrix was the nail, because on top being both financially successful and critically acclaimed, people actually LIKED it. I mean, from 1993-1999, guys like Segal and Van Damme still hit number one at the box office with fairly straight-forward, generic action flicks, but post-Matrix (with a couple of exceptions), they were pretty much banished to straight-to-video hell.

  • The reason for the death of the action film is Michael Bay.

  • Gerry

    There’ve been tons of good more recent action movies, a lot of which are mentioned above.

    I’d throw in Star Trek 11, Terminator Salvation etc. You can’t say sci fi doesn’t count as some of Arnie’s best action films were sci fi.

    If your definition if an action film involves more fist fighting or gunplay you could say action films evolved from the western and the action movies referenced above evolved from the ‘Hollywood action film’.

    If you need your fix of fist fighting look east to Shaw Brothers up to Donnie Yen type films.

    Screw genre, I’m happy with good films involving action.

    If the Hollywood golden era of action films had access to cheap CGI do you honestly think they wouldn’t’ve used it?

    Roll on good actiony sci fi and summer blockbusters, they rock.

  • Take the Mission Impossible films as a case study in action cinema. Each film in this series represent a different type of action film.
    The first one has two big set pieces – the biggest and obvious one is the train sequence in the end, but I think it is a consensus by this point that the CIA break-in is not only the centerpiece of the film but also one of the best action sequences ever, without one shot fired or one building exploding. It has never been equaled until the Dubai sequence in MI 4. So, as far as action goes, MI 1 is perhaps not wall-to-wall mayhem but it works thanks to memorable set-pieces.

    MI 2 was a completely different story. The action was ramped waaay up courtesy of John Woo, and Ethan Hunt turned into James Bond. Some liked it, some didn’t, but it was a very different action film, verging on comic book. It lacked memorable set-pieces like the first one had but compensated for it by sheer operatic lunacy. It by far has the largest body count and biggest gunplay scenes in the series (according to the article, MI 2 would be considered the best action film in the series, then).

    The hallmark of MI 3 was its breakneck pace and return to character. The personal crisis Ethan Hunt faces adds urgency and intensity to the proceedings. The rescue sequence is somewhat generic action, but the bridge attack is spectacularly handled and the movie… just… doesn’t… stop. It scales back the excess of part 2 while still supplying the adrenaline rush, and it’s a fantastic action film.

    MI 4 brought everything together, taking elements from all films: The memorable set-pieces approach from part 1, the James Bond attributes of Ethan Hunt from part 2, and the incredible pacing from part 3, creating a quality blockbuster and action movie. All it needed to be perfect was a great villain.

    So just like the American action film, The Mission Impossible films are all action, and they’re all different, and they’re all good in their own way, as long as you don’t use an “action checklist” from 30 years ago.

  • You’re making me want to rewatch all the M:I movies. There’s a premium podcast that needs to happen at some point.

  • Sitrom

    Could you repeat the question please.

  • If we’re paying for the premium podcasts, I’d like them to be for something you wouldn’t just sit around and watch anyway. Sure, the quality varies from podcast to podcast, but everyone and their brother has talked about Star Wars, y’know? And for free. On the other hand, you have something like the Twilight films, which I’m 100% sure you don’t want to have to HAVE to sit through. THAT would be worth our money to hear you guys have to endure that, and it just might be worth your…OK, maybe it still wouldn’t be worth your time. Still, if you did a premium series on Twilight (which I don’t want to see either) or even the arguably less-painful Harry Potter series, I’d totally pay more than the minimum asking price. Oh yes, that would be worth it.

    Speaking of which, might I suggest that the Game Junk crew do a premium podcast on the video game-related works of one Dr. Uwe Boll?

  • bullet3

    I think post 2000s, we really did see the US traditional action movie die out. There have been some exceptions that have kept the genre alive in the Direct-To-Video market (see the outstanding Universal Soldier: Regeneration), but in general, the proliferation of CGI, and most importantly, the PG-13 rating, have effectively killed US action movies.

    Up until even 1999, the typical summer blockbuster action movie coming out would still be rated R (see True Lies, Terminator 2, Speed, The Matrix). We’re talking expensive movies with high production values, but it was accepted that those movies would be violent and get released with an R rating.

    Then the studios figured out they could make more money with a PG-13, and started trimming all the impact from the action genre, and replacing it with lots of explosions to compensate for the lack of violence. This is a big reason that Shaky-Cam cinematography worked its way so heavily into mainstream action movies, and it’s also the reason that action movies in general have become so CGI-heavy, its safer on the rating to have your protagonists fighting aliens or giant robots than real people.

    Is there hope for the future? I’m doubtful. If Prometheus gets cut down to a PG-13, which I’m terrified is going to happen, then you know we’ve hit bottom. And stuff like Haywire comes out and does the action absolutely right, and makes almost no money.

    At least we’re seeing foreign directors pick up the slack with stuff like The Raid. Hopefully others will follow.

  • Sean, yeah, I think the Mission Impossible franchise is an interesting one to discuss simply because, like Alien, the movies are so different from one another.

    Regarding the comment above, I personally don’t always equate violence with action, so for me PG-13 or R does not mean the film is more or less good as an action film. There are tons of examples of great action movies which were not rated R. Raiders Of The Lost Ark, for example.

  • Owozifa

    Well, first I must add to the voices loving on Last Action Hero. Just recently rewatched it with my significant other and we both had an amazing time laughing with the movie. With, not at. I think it’s pretty awesome all around.

    “You think you’re pretty funny, don’t you?”
    “I know I am, I’m the famous comedian, Arnold Grounschweigger.”

    It’s also amazingly easy to be nostalgic about films as unsurprisingly the bad films of the past are forgotten and the good ones start seeming closer and closer together becoming one big mass of perfection located somewhere, indistinct, in former times. There always remains hope.

  • patrik

    #18

    No one’s forcing you to get the premium episodes though.. If it’s something you’re not interested in then sit that one out.. Plenty of people would like a MI special though, including me.

  • That’s fine, I’m just making a suggestion.

  • hugh

    Hollywood can’t make action movies like The Raid Redemption because they have too many safety precautions. For insurance reasons, actors aren’t allowed to do anthing too risky. Special effects action movies are safe to do because actors don’t have to do anything strenuous. Besides, Hollywood doesn’t make movie stars out of real martial artists anymore, and watching regular actors try to do fight scenes isn’t the least bit impressive.

  • Pete

    To be completely honest I think the big change in the American Action film has come about because of the events of 9/11, you can’t show one American super soldier taking on 100 guys with a machine gun and coming out unscathed anymore, now we have to recognize the vulnerable hero that can be hurt, killed or even corrupted. That’s part of why I loved Rambo 4 and The Expendables, it was a return to form that I can appreciate.

    In the case of massive CGI-fests (for which I am in no way in favor) I think Hollywood are just pushing out something that has proven time and time again to sell really well. Though I dare say they’re shifting away from action and moving more into adventure.

  • In a rare case of “ironic” being used correctly on the internet, I forgot about 9/11…at least in terms of the effect it had on action films. Very good call there.

  • grace

    I don’t think its dead, just need a new story plot and more action.

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