Film Junk Podcast Episode #354: Haywire

0:00 – Intro
6:30 – Headlines: 2012 Golden Globe Winners, The Expendables 2 Will Be PG-13
28:15 – Review: Haywire
1:22:15 – Trailer Trash: Resident Evil: Retribution
1:28:45 – Other Stuff We Watched: Alcatraz, Jim Gaffigan Live, AHL Winter Classic, And Everything is Going Fine, The Prestige, Summer of Sam, We Bought a Zoo, The Island of Lost Souls, Hanna, Con Air, Hands on a Hard Body, Routine Pleasures
2:05:40 – Junk Mail: Breakout Roles for Athletes, Displaying Box Sets with Cardboard Sleeves, Favourite Breast Shots, Crispin Glover and Nic Cage, Theatre vs. DVD and Blu-ray, Digital Copies, Critiquing a Movie Based on What You Thought It Should Be
2:28:50 – This Week’s DVD Releases
2:31:00 – Outro

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  • Curtis Williams

    Go 5 Star.

  • “…but then again, if it’s not a big deal, why do you care enough to change it?”

    Because the benefits of having extra space while rating a film is worth the trouble (or lack thereof) of changing to a 5 point system. If we’re going to rate, then the extra leg room could be beneficial.

    “It isn’t Broke, it’s perfect.”

    No, it’s not broken, but that doesn’t mean it’s not worth updating. No rating system is perfect. Subjectively, it’s hard to come to an agreement on whether or not a 4 or 5 point system is better. OBJECTIVELY, the 5 point system seems to be used WAY more often than the 4. Therefore, it seems to be a commonly understood point of reference, online at least.

    And I agree with Kasper. I don’t want to give star ratings up front.

  • Hmm. Well, if you look at a random list of critic’s scores on a movie for RottenTomatoes, (I just randomly looked at Underworld’s scores) I do see quite a few out of 5’s. But I also see a bunch of out of 4’s and even a couple of out of 10’s. It doesn’t seem like the 5 star system is -overwhelmingly- used. Though I admit, it is a majority.

    Really, it doesn’t matter what I think. Sean asked for our opinions, but I’m not the one rating the movies. I don’t believe it would be terribly beneficial to change. You obviously do think so, so I defer to your judgment. Or Sean’s. Or whoever is considered the System Czar in your group.

    I’ll be listening whether you use 4 stars, 5 stars, two thumbs, 10 erect cocks or whatever other system you guys desire. :P

  • Jonny Ashley

    The more I think of it, I really don’t care. The actual podcast review discussion is the only thing that matters to me. The stars are just a nice little piece of parsley on the side of the plate to make it feel formal. The star rating won’t affect the review, so I can go either way.

  • Kent

    I honestly think you should ditch the ratings altogether.

  • Falsk

    Agree with Kasper, too. It’d be awkward to start off with ratings. The comedic timing is too good right now as it is.

    And if MILATH is in charge of the 4-star ranks, I’ll still stand by my precious 5-star. FIVE POINTED STARS-FIVE POINTS FOR FIVE STARS! 5-5-5!!

  • Hah. And while you’re out with that little 5 star TRAMP Falsk, 4 stars is at home with the 2001 star-babies and a roast that’s just getting cold and lonely, like 4 star’s heart.

    How… how could you? 4 stars won’t be IGNORED….

    Despite that, 4 stars will always take you back, even after the brief, unsatisfying, and possibly confusing tryst with that 5 star SLUT of rating systems. Even after all the verbal abuse 4 stars has taken over the years.

    Because 4 stars loves you. And I know if you search your soul, deep inside your heart, you love 4 stars too. Maybe it’s not the shiniest of star systems, but it will always give you what you want: a rating system that won’t demand that everyone to revisit 400 or so movies to update their ratings so it makes sense again.

    5 stars is so high maintenance.


  • So many other sites you five stars, I don’t understand why you would want to take away something makes filmjunk filmjunk. 354 episodes can’t be wrong.

  • *use

  • Falsk

    Wow. You really took that and ran, huh, Milath?

    Honestly, I can’t believe such an innocent statement/suggestion has brought up such passion on both sides. I never thought of the 4-star rating system to be something specifically “Film Junk”-y, especially since I always convert everyone’s 4-stars to 5-stars in my head ANYWAY, with most good films being 4/4 and an exceptionally good film a, uh, 5/4?

    I’ve always been comfortable with a scale of five since I’m pretty passionate about rating movies on my Netflix account (back when they had the “friends” section and you could compare what your friends watched/rated) so the five-points has always stuck…

  • anonymiss

    fart on the breath of the dragon beast- frank

  • Sly

    the only type of rating I need is:
    Worth Your Time / Avoid It

  • Marco

    The best rating in my opinion is neither 4 nor 10 stars but 6 Stars!

    0- Absolute Shit
    1- Shit
    2- Weak
    3- Mediocre
    4- Good
    5- Very Good
    6- Excellent

  • Nelson

    Resident Evil is awesome, please leave it alone, nuff said


  • RC

    Milla Jovovich actually pronounce her name as yoh-v?-vich

  • @milath,

    Out of curiosity, were you serious when you said you use a 100 point method? How can that possibly be accurate? What is the difference between a 46 and 47 rating (other than simply saying 47 is better)?

    I think that’s a bit much.

    5 stars always rings so true to me very easily. Usually the minute I walk out of a movie I know what to give a film based on the five point scale. Trying to quantify on a four point scale just doesn’t work for me. I like to be more specific. But not 100 specific. That seems like overkill to me.

  • @Andrew

    I wasn’t going to comment anymore, but since you’re asking directly, I’ll go ahead and answer.

    Short answer: For FJ purposes, no I wasn’t serious.

    That doesn’t mean I think it’s impossible to use a large point system, of course. IMDB uses one. You vote on 1-10 but it becomes 1.0 to 10.0 (essentially 10-100) when averaged out. There have been other sites I’ve been on that asked for movie ratings 0-100 straight up as well. Though at that point of course it becomes more like ranking and less like rating. For FJ’s use, of course, it would be overkill.

    I do wonder if they change though if they are planning to go back through their previously rated films and re-rate them to give people a sense of what a 5 star vs a 4 star film would be. Or which movies would move from 2 star to 3 star. Because without doing so how can I easily see they preferred, say, something they gave 4 stars prior to changing over something they give 4 stars now? *shrug*

    Anyway, as I said previously, I really don’t care if they keep 4 star or go 5 star or whatever numerical system they choose to rate films. I’m here for the discussion. I was just having a bit of fun with my overly defensive defense of the 4 star rating system. :)

  • JJ

    5 stars is the way to go.

    1 star – horrible
    2 stars – not good; below average
    3 stars – solid; average
    4 stars – really good: above average
    5 stars – exceptional; amazing

  • RC

    I prefer 5 stars but it isn’t a deal breaker.