Film Junk Podcast Episode #334: Red State and Fall TV Preview

0:00 – Intro
6:00 – Headlines: Star Wars Blu-ray Changes, Josh Brolin to Star in Oldboy Remake, HBO Picks Up Mike Tyson Boxing Drama Da Brick, Steven Seagal Drives Tank into House, Killing Puppy
30:25 – Review: Red State
56:35 – Feature: Fall TV Preview
1:37:45 – Other Stuff We Watched: Penn & Teller: Fool Us, Exporting Raymond, BKO: Bangkok Knockout, If…., Dumb & Dumber, Paradise Lost, The Franchise: A Season with the San Francisco Giants, The Beaver, Buffalo Wingfest, Aladdin, Man on Fire
2:08:42 – Junk Mail: Current TV Top 50 Docs, Home Theatre Setups, DVD and Blu-ray Region Codes, Rumoured Arrested Development Movie Plot
2:23:45 – This Week’s DVD Releases
2:26:10 – Outro
2:28:54 – Spoiler Discussion: Red State

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  • Bob The Slob

    I don’t know why, but I always feel like you guys are just out to get Smith. You’re not, but I mean this overall vibe of “we can’t wait to rip him a new one.”

    and I’m saying that as a mediocre smith fan.

    no biggie.

  • Steve L

    Hey fellas, keep the podcasts’s coming..good stuff
    I’m jonesing for another “Filmjunk’s greatest hits” podcast as well.

  • Vikke_AJ

    Glad that Jay mentioned these Star Wars fan editions. For me they have made this Blu-ray box set totally unnecessary. For the movies anyway… I was planning to get the set for the deleted scenes and other extras but I just can’t stomach these further changes. I can’t stand the prequels and most of the changes in the SEs. I guess Empire Strikes Back SE is tolerable, but I still prefer the originals. Of course the new transfers are 1080p compared to the 720p of the fan editions but I doubt that the Blu-rays will be reference quality anyway. The fan editions looked good enough for me even when projected to a 92″ screen.

  • Kind of disappointed by the semi-collective shrug of the filmjunkers towards the ROTJ tinkering.(Only Sean seem to have addressed the scene and the effect on it). I’m not saying it as a “superfan” or a “Star Wars nerd” or whatever label but as a cinema lover and nothing more.
    just to put things into perspective, while I did think all the other prior changes and additions weren’t necessary as well (the CGI sticks out like a sore thumb) I didn’t mind them that much that I would not have the DVD. And I don’t mind most of the new additions to the blu-ray as well – they’re mostly so silly and arbitrary, as Jay said, it’s not worth the hassle.

    But the buck stops here. You don’t mess with that scene. Not like that. And I don’t care how good it looks in HD.

  • Vikke_AJ

    I agree with Lior. I think the keyword here is unnecessary. For me all these changes make the movies worse. That’s why I prefer even these fan editions over the Blu-ray and paying 90 bucks just for the deleted scenes is too much for me. The possible difference in picture quality (The DVD set “restoration” was pretty much screwed up, so I don’t have high hopes for this Blu-ray set either) is secondary to me. I also admire the meticulous effort that some of these people do to try to restore the original versions. Even their LaserDisc ports are better than the official version Lucasfilm released few years ago on DVD. Just my opinion as a life long Star Wars fan. I understand most of the people don’t care about these changes, but for me there are limits to my tolerance for crap.

  • Goon

    “..but I always feel like you guys are just out to get Smith.”

    I felt that way about Clerks 2 maybe, since I loved that. But I felt if anything they were too kind on Red State. It’s pretty fucking terrible.

  • Vikke_AJ

    My favorite Kevin Smith film is still Mallrats. I have no interest of his newer films. Zack & Miri was pretty terrible.

  • anonymiss

    What is this junk i read last week in the comments section about Frank having veto power over you being on the show, that’s just not fair. You have equal right to be there in relation to jay and sean. they maybe started it, but you’ve been in over 250 episodes by now!!! also, how are things with your girlfriend that you talked about a a couple months ago?

  • Greg

    @Anonymous – The girlfriend is good. Things are great. Thank you for asking.

    As far as Frank goes…well, he’s kind of a hardass, so I just do my best to stay out of his way and keep the peace.

  • fatbologna

    I agreed wholeheartedly on the crew’s review of Red State. It reminded me of one of the “Afterdark” produced horror films. It may be a visual departure for Smith but all he ended up with was a generic looking horror film with a bunch of overqualified actors, only one of which gave a standout performance.

    The entire thing felt uneven and slapped together and any message he tried to convey was badly stated. Maybe his method of getting really fucking high before editing his movies isn’t the best way to go about things after all. I heard him refer to this movie as a mix between Tarantino and the Coen Bros. and immediately understood that he’s lost all perspective on his abilities as a filmmaker.

    I’d recommend everyone follow Drew McWeeney’s(Moriarty from AintitCool) advice and seek out Lucky Mckee’s “The Woman” if you’re looking for a well-made subversive indie horror film. Hell, Tucker and Dale vs. Evil was a better horror flick and it’s a goddamn comedy.

  • Mac

    Wait, The film junk guys are hating on a Kevin Smith film, shocker. I saw this coming a mile away. I’m beginning to believe that maybe you guys just don’t understand his style. Red State is one of the best films this year.

  • Oldboy remakes are cool I guess, but how come you guys still haven’t talked about the fact that Spike Lee is currently filming a freakin sequel to Do The Right Thing?

  • Loren Adam

    Just thought I’d let you guys know… the Star Wars fans have crushed the star rating at 900 reviews ** out of *****.


  • mattTO

    “As far as Frank goes…well, he’s kind of a hardass, so I just do my best to stay out of his way and keep the peace.”

    I knew there was a deeper reason to him not going to TIFF…

    Good show guys. I feel like red state would make for great discussion on the movie club in about a year (so basically, the next show?), after you guys get some time away from it and can revisit it fresh. Someone else on the comments might have a better idea than me as to what to pair it up with, but I’d suggest a “Director reinventing his/herself” theme.

  • Goon

    “…maybe you guys just don’t understand his style.”

    instead of this cop-out (pun sadly intended) general line, you should actually rebut the dozens of completely valid arguments made in the podcast.

  • kyri

    @anonymiss & mattTO

    I think Greg is just being “sarcastic” ..or whatever that fancy word is he used the other day referring to Reed.. “fashisius?”


    George Lucas has a bigger plan, first he is selling you the crappy adulterated impure versions and then he will tell you.. if you want the real-deal boys you ll have to pay something more..
    in kind!!!!!!!!!

    @ Fat b


  • kyri

    and for crap sake Greg 14″? that’s smaller than my ….foot. buy a real tv. it’s only £300

  • bard

    You guys discussing the insanity/terrible new TV shows is hilarious. Great episode so far.

  • The ‘Exporting Raymond’ guy was a good interview on the Adam Carolla Podcast… and he is DEFINITELY sounds like a walking Jewish stereotype, but it’s delightful.

  • I have the Star Wars DVDs from a few years back where the original cuts were included as “extras”, and I think they were pretty much untouched. That said, do the people that have complained about the endless tweaking over the years have any right to complain about the original theatrical cuts not being touched up/remastered/whatever? People demanded the originals, so would it be hypocritical to complain about them NOT being improved, even if you’re just talking about touch-ups or a better (just improved, not changed or different really) soundtrack than whatever the best VHS releases had? Was this Lucas’s way of just saying “Be careful what you ask for”?

  • Anthony

    Pretty much agree with what Frank said near the beginning of the Red State review: No focus and no direction is what I thought of the film as well.

  • KeithTalent

    Oh man, please do the Star Wars hexology podcast.

    I was not going to buy the boxed set, but it just dropped to $80 on Amazon and at that price I could not resist, so I threw in a pre-order in and would love to watch all of the movies and hear you guys review the entire set.

  • KeithTalent

    Oh crap, forgot to mention I was surprised nobody mentioned how god awful the beginning of Red State was where it essentially laid everything out in a very clumsy way. I actually enjoyed the middle of the film more than you guys, but the beginning in the class was eye-rollingly painful.

  • @Keith

    Totally agree–a kid at their school is murdered and no one knows about it? The movie is just bad exposition after horrible exposition after “Really? They’re just going to have John Goodman tell you the rest of the story?” The whole movie feels like it was filmed from the first draft of the shooting script.

  • bard


    What type of diet do you have to go on now? Is it just a calorite counting thing? Or did you get Jay’s prostatitis from all those nights you spent together?

  • kyri


    haha nice one mate.

  • alechs


    Water and black coffee on a regular basis ain’t so bad.

    Also, I know you brought this up a couple of times before, but what is the name of that great pizza place near the Ryerson theatre you keep talking about?

  • Brendan

    Since they mentioned on the show that “Bucky Larson: Born to Be A Star” is coming out, has anyone else seen the horrible commercials they’ve been running for it? The movie looks bad enough as it is, but they’ve got a series of commercials “hosted” by that one guy with the annoying voice that’s in a lot of Adam Sandler’s movies (guess that doesn’t narrow it down much…). I looked him up, his name’s Peter Dante.

    I guess they wanted to point out that this an Adam Sandler produced movie, but I can’t for the life of me figure out who thought putting this goob front and center talking up the film was a good idea.

  • Goon

    “Totally agree–a kid at their school is murdered and no one knows about it? The movie is just bad exposition after horrible exposition after “Really? ”

    There was a girl murdered at a school near where all of us Niagara kids grew up, this of course being the Paul Bernardo/Karla Holmolka murders… and everyone knew about it. Stuff like this does not go unnoticed, even by ignorant selfish teenagers. So yeah, that scene was retarded.

  • Greg

    @ Alechs – Amato’s.

    @ Bard – Probably both.

  • Drewsifer

    Hey what’s the intro song on this cast, sounds like At The Drive In, or The Rapture, anyone know?

  • It is The Rapture – Confrontation.

    Just a reminder that songs are always included on the Show Notes page!

  • patrik

    fuck I love the fall TV Previews.. Gregs predictions are awesome

  • Franck Lloyd

    After ‘If …’ Malcolm McDowell plays the same character again in ‘O Lucky Man’ (1973) and ‘Britannia Hospital’ (1982). The three films were directed by Lindsay Anderson.