Film Junk Podcast Episode #316: Legend of the Fist: The Return of Chen Zhen

0:00 – Intro / FJ Meet Up Info
9:10 – Headlines: 3D Movies Coming to Planes and Cars, Top 10 Movies People Pretend to Have Seen, LOTR Extended Editions and Top Gun Returning to Theatres, Bill & Ted 3 Might Actually Happen, Chris Diamantopoulos to Play Moe in The Three Stooges?
38:15 – Review: Legend of the Fist: The Return of Chen Zhen
1:20:55 – Trailer Trash: Immortals, 30 Minutes or Less, Elephant White
1:37:00 – Other Stuff We Watched: Party Down, The League, The Faculty, From Dusk Till Dawn, Full Tilt Boogie, The Flock, The Brave One, Murderball, When We Were Kings, Street Fight, The War Room, Biggie and Tupac, Spellbound, Bus 174, The Ten Commandments, Fist of Fury aka Chinese Connection, The Way Back
2:32:58 – Junk Mail: Martial Arts Documentaries, Shushing Mom at the Movies, Movies with Cool End Credits, The X-Files, Average Moviegoers, Movie Theatre Pet Peeves, First Movies Purchased on Each Format
3:00:30 – This Week’s DVD Releases
3:02:20 – Outro

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  • Cy-Ed

    AT LAST!!!

  • mike v

    finallly! you guys were killing me this week, i was forced to listen to podcasts i’m not proud to admit to listening to.

  • Austin in Japan

    Yes! I was starting to get worried. And thanks for reading my mail.

  • Sean, I’m so jazzed that you have an Amazon link to a movie I recommended, “The Flock.” And its best price is 1 cent. The film is worth more than 1 cent. Trust me. I bought my copy for 99 cents, and I feel I got my money’s worth even knowing that I could have got it for 1 cent.

  • Film Junk Podcast: The Return of Reed Farrington. 4/4

  • Protege. Lx

  • Gil

    Maybe it’s just me, but this episode wont download onto my ipod or on itunes. and it wont play from the webpage.

  • Napalm

    Draaaama, lol. Classic episode!

  • Kamen Liew

    Thought I’d clear a few things up with the Legend of the Fist review and back a few of Sean’s comments.

    Unlike his master (Huo Yuan Jia, played by Jet Li in Fearless), Chen is a fictional character that was first portrayed by Bruce Lee in Fist of Fury. A remake called Fist of the Legend was later made in 1994 with Jet Li.

    Legend of the Fist is not a sequel to the Bruce Lee or Jet Li film, it is in fact a sequel to Donnie Yen’s Fist of Fury TV series made in 1996. Donnie Yen is well-known amongst HK movie viewers to be a huge fan of Bruce Lee, which might help explain the inclusion of the Kato getup in the movie. Hope this info helps :)

    Other than that, this review is pretty much spot on. Very much a missed opportunity. Jay, for a much more satisfactory martial arts-action experience, check out Donnie Yen’s earlier effort Ip Man. It remains as his best martial arts movie over the last decade :)

  • Reed is in rare form, and it’s awesome to hear him get pissed. Definitely worth the wait.

  • @Gil I had the same problem last night, but it seems to work now.

  • I think sometimes the Libsyn link gets overloaded when a new episode is first released. If you have problems like this in the future, just wait a short while and try again.

  • This might be the most racist episode yet. Well done fellas

  • I’m not sure what I enjoy more, Reed’s appearance, or Jay’s fearless mocking by imitation of Reed (On potential Beauty Day Q&A questioning.)

    Seriously, I think you guys collectively don’t give Gerry a fair shake some times.

    That being said. Donnie Yen’s Chen Zhen is a pretty shitty. Quite embarrassing considering the director made the very solid Infernal Affairs….

  • So, you guys did Remy Harlin and Scream franchise. How about a Fast and Furious franchise overview?

  • antho42

    Jay, your making the mistake of watching mainstream/blockbuster Hong Kong films. Like most American/blockbuster films, they are awful, and in far too many occasions, unwatchable. You pretty much watching the Hong Kong version of Michael Bay and Brett Ratner films. Check the art house and cult Hong Kong films. The acting is at the level or superior to the Korean films. It’s kind of sad that a person who like Big Trouble in Little China does not like cult Hong Kong; BTLC is basically an homage (some might say its ripoff) of Hong Kong films.
    Good films:
    Fallen Angels
    Shaolin Soccer
    Kung Fu Hustle
    Geung si sin sang Poster (Mr. Vampire)

  • antho42

    Exiled is the best homage to Westerns I have ever seen. It’s bloody awesome!

  • I don’t know if I can handle a Fast and Furious marathon. I’ve only seen part 4 and it didn’t make me want to watch the others. Still, I’d probably consider it if they were all on Netflix, but unfortunately they’re not.

  • fatbologna

    I agree with antho. The blockbuster HK films are shit. If that’s all I knew of the region I’d hate them too. The Election films are great as are many of the 80s cult films where directors were going for broke on the sleazier elements. Anthony Wong was in a lot of awesome Cat III films during that time and definitely wasn’t afraid to sleaze it up. Also, Donnie Yen’s a fuckin’ douche…

  • fatbologna

    Two words: Ebola Syndrome.

  • Gil

    ugh… I hate Donnie Yen. I think the only films I enjoyed with him in it is Blade 2 and Kill Zone. Ip Man was a piece of shit. Had to watch it for some stupid class. I hate the professor even more now for making me watch it. I hope to never watch another Donnie Yen film. I’ll be willing to check this out, but I’m certainly not holding my breath.
    I think it’s Donnie Yen’s face that makes me hate him. It’s the same reason I won’t ever watch a Jet Li film, what a bunch of douche faces; they look not all there…

  • bard

    Great episode. If you’re unable to do an episode of Film Junk, can you do a Game Junk episode?

  • Probably not considering that I still haven’t played any of the games we’re supposed to review.

  • Kasper

    Sean, learn a little from Reed, just lie about playing the games and switch between agreeing and disagreeing with Frank, occasionally mentioning things you love/hate about the game, that you’ve seen portrayed in trailers!

  • bard

    Oh well… The review isn’t even my main reason why I listen. Either way, have a good time at the screening and meet up, wish I could go. Coming from Texas is quite a drive.

  • Sam

    I have a Reed headache and it hurts so good!

  • Reed is still the only filmjunker with the BALLS to challenge Jay, good show!

  • other greg


  • djangoscud

    There is a great doc made by Jackie Chan called “my stunts”. This thing is the one dvd you do NOT want children to get a hold of. They break down every trick in the JC Stunt Team handbook and show you how to re-create it step by step. Most have slow motion playback where you can see how brutal it is to be a member of Chan’s team. I remember this was quite difficult to get a copy and when a friend found it it was in a different region code.

  • Aaron

    My week is now complete. Great show, guys.

  • antho42

    It will be awesome if the crew reviews 13 Assassins — it’s available on VOD.

  • @djangoscud: I noticed that the Jackie Chan doc you mentioned is posted in 10 parts on YouTube. I’m definitely going to check it out. Thx.

    @antho42: I like Michael Bay and Brett Ratner movies, so I think we differ in our appreciation of “mainstream / blockbuster” films. I know you were generalizing, but wouldn’t Stephen Chow’s later films like “Shaolin Soccer” and “Kung Fu Hustle” be considered mainstream HK films? I loved those films, and I’ve always wondered if Jay would find them funny, but Jay never watches anything I recommend because I have such peculiar tastes. I’ve read good things about “13 Assassins.” What do you think of it? BTW, I thought critics were unduly harsh on Miike’s “Sukiyaki Western Django.”

  • Fatbologna

    While I wasn’t a huge fan of Sukiyaki Western Django due to the bad phonetic Engrish, 13 Assassins is apparently a major departure from Miike’s other stuff. It’s a completely traditional samurai tale in the vein of the classic 60s and 70s Chanbara films. I’ve heard nothing but good things about it. Miike’s made a pretty strong turn away from his pure shock material he started out with and has definitely matured in the last couple of years. I’m looking forward to checking it out. I think Jay might dig Kung-Fu Hustle, it’s a great flick! I think that Jay’s tastes are a little more geared toward modern Korean cinema and older Japanese cinema. Chinese film tends to be pretty broad which isn’t always easy to take for a lot of people.

    Don’t worry Reed, there’s people out there that like the same stuff as you. You’re not alone or nearly as peculiar as you think!

  • antho42

    The Filmjunk crew would love the Stephen Chow’s films. And 13 Assasins is Miike best film since Audition.

  • ZorkEmpire

    Reed is my favorite, and not because he’s a quirky novelty. He always strikes me as rare instance of someone who has a completely independent set of aesthetic criteria, no matter how removed they might be from the standards accepted by everyone else. The guy just likes what he likes, no matter how much anyone else might disagree. I’m sure you could argue he’s just being a contrarian, but at least he has a unique perspective. I always enjoy when he’s on the show, though it often comes across as if the other guys intentionally escalate arguments and antagonize him, challenging him in way they wouldn’t challenge one another. That’s not nice. Anyway, I’m a fan of the show. Hello to Reed.

  • I like how Jay knocks me talking in hyperbole by talking in hyperbole. Well played. And no, I didn’t say anything to my mom or eat any of the chips. I quietly shook my head and even waved her away with my hand.

    It should be noted that the real asshole thing my mom was doing was talking to Angela during the screening, who was being put in the untenable position of ignoring my mom and thus looking like a bitch, or answering her questions and looking like a douche to the rest of the theatre.

  • Napalm

    With Jay gone for next week you guys should finally give us the Beauty Day review! PS: Reed should be there!

  • @ZorkEmpire: Reading your comment made my day. I just hope the Reed haters don’t come back with comments to refute your compliments. :-) I must admit though that my getting upset in this podcast was totally my fault as I got worked up over Jay’s inane criticism of the film needing more action, which I don’t think he said to provoke me.

  • kyri

    and if they do, murder them..

  • Henrik

    For more details on the Bruce Lee confusion minutia, check out this video (it’s near the end, but this is well worth the watch):

    Reed was great on this episode, and yes – it does make little sense to say that a movie didn’t have enough action. But you have to take it as read, that it only applies because the rest of the movie was not worth watching. Think alittle Reed, you’re so smart.

  • Hi Henrik. I am well aware the implication of what Jay said with him not liking the rest of the movie. Thinking it over, and I know some people may object to this conclusion, I generally get “upset” when people identify an aspect of a movie they like and then generalize that a movie would have been better if there was more of it in a movie. Taking this to the extreme, how good would a movie be if it had no dramatic narrative and consisted solely of fight scenes? And if you think this is silly, then at what ratio of good fighting to bad drama would make someone appreciate a movie more?

    With this being said, I am intrigued by a conversation I had with Kurt from Row Three about how the movie “13 Assassins” has an approx. 45 minute sequence of fighting in which a narrative is progressed. (Apologies to Kurt if I misunderstood him.)

  • Henrik

    Well, is it really worth being upset over if you know what he meant? I had a similar reaction to the arguments, but you have to cut people a minimal amount of slack, especially when they are nice to you.

  • Sam

    Reed, I’ve seen mentions online of Bruce Lee fight scenes actually being overcranked, not undercranked. Which would only add to his legend, so that’s what I choose to believe.

  • @Sam: I always read about or hear people who worked with Bruce Lee or Jet Li saying how Bruce and Jet are so fast that Bruce and Jet have to actually slow down their punches and kicks in order for film to register the movement. I don’t think it’s actually that hard for any competent martial artist to punch faster than normal speed film can capture. I’ve always wondered why UFC fighters seem so slow.

  • fatbologna

    UFC fighters seem slow because the striking is more about power than speed. There’s still technique there but not in the same way as martial arts in film.

  • Littaly

    The Godfather is actually the only movie I’ve ever lied about having seen ^^

  • I get the feeling that all this love for Reed will manifest itself into some hardcore bashing on the show at some point. I hope to hear more from Reed in future shows. Great show as well!!!! Missed Greg!!!

  • mike v

    man, the past 5 or so episodes jay has been hilarious. he’s always funny, but he seems like he’s in a better mood or something. great episode

  • @fatbologna: Since momentum is the product of mass and velocity, I would think that the force imparted to an object would increase with greater speed. So greater speed means greater power. The key is to make contact at the greatest speed which requires one to punch through the target. I suppose you could bulk up your muscles to give you a greater mass, but I think speed is of greater importance in producing power and winning a fight.