The more you like/relate to a movie the more you want to perform the actions involved. im into comedic drug abuse myself. i have never been convinced to hate a character though, even manipulating ones. All i want is to be convinced to hate. in movies is that to much to ask?

wonder what Mr.Farrington thought of the twins. i was waiting for a twins and Dennis three way.

Yes, I agree. But I don’t see anywhere in this thread where anyone advocated such a thing. It was Sean who brought up limiting the release of a film, and he brought it up to say he was against it.

Maybe the best solution is not to censor it, but just to bring it up for discussion, like people like Liz are doing. This way, when people see this scene in the movie there has already been a dialogue about it and we know this is not okay in real life and everyone’s happy.

So?

“I guess that depends on whether or not you consider putting a movie in limited release “censorship”.”

It sort of is – if you’re holding back or limiting information because you don’t think the public can take it, what is that? if and when the government does that, isn’t that a bad thing?

I mean how strict a definition of ‘censorship’ are we working with. I mean look at the MPAA – they say if you dont do this this and this you dont get the R instead of an NC-17. There’s already an issue with many about censorship with the ratings to begin with… but anyways, ultimately the filmmakers have a choice about if they want to recut their movie or not. They’re the ones doing that stuff, so its not exactly pure censorship, but in general it serves the same purpose – idiot proofing your film, and as we know from history, this includes allowing a lot of violence but not a lot of sex, allowing penises in a dozen comedies but a bush will pretty much guarantee you an NC-17, etc

“But Goon do you really not get her point? I find that baffling since I’ve inparticular known you to be vocal about your opinion on the message of various films. Grand Torrino comes to mind.”

I’m sure problems with story elements in Gran Torino came up during the very long arguments, but I assure you throughout my largest beefs with that film had to do with direction, acting and especially the script. Every issue in every film has its own context. There are tonnes of movies with messages contrary to my own beliefs that I not only l love, but own. But if you want to discuss further I welcome that but maybe keep it to another thread because I like this one as it is and wouldn’t want it to lose too much focus

I don’t get her point, it’s not me with my fingers in my ears, I just don’t get the point – and that’s why my initial argument against her is based on thinking she was making a different point. I even had another person read this thread to try and tell me what she’s really arguing – If there’s an argument beyond ‘rape is bad and some people don’t know that’, let me know. Is that it? Nothing else? And if theres any argument beyond that re: limiting this release to only the “smart people”, then you can revert back to some of the same points.

I mean seriously, how would a limited release only guarantee the “smart people” see the movie? Couldn’t word of mouth build, couldn’t the legions of people who don’t hear about the movie but hear about the scene start making an even BIGGER deal out of it? (sure worked for Hounddog and that rape scene).

A limited release just means less people, period, and it gives less people a chance to make up their mind for themselves…

And lets say that you actually could engineer a way for only ‘smart’ people to see certain movies – is that something anyone is actually advocating? an IQ or morality test at the door. “you must hate rape this much to enter”?

But maybe all of that is blowing hard, because harsh at is is, I still think a potential rapist has the right to see this movie, a potential pedophile has the right to see Happiness, and a potential car salesman who wants to abduct his wife for her fathers money has the right to see Fargo…

…and so on. I think its more dangerous to engineer censorship to try and predict how others are going to think, to account for people who will miss your point entirely.