Comments on: Treknobabble #13: The Rise and Fall of The Next Generation https://filmjunk.com/2008/04/21/treknobabble-13-the-rise-and-fall-of-the-next-generation/ The World's Longest-Running Movie Podcast Fri, 24 Sep 2021 06:46:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.1.33 By: Reed Farrington https://filmjunk.com/2008/04/21/treknobabble-13-the-rise-and-fall-of-the-next-generation/comment-page-1/#comment-385215 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:07:37 +0000 http://www.filmjunk.com/2008/04/21/treknobabble-13-the-rise-and-fall-of-the-next-generation/#comment-385215 Henrik, your comment about The Nth Degree triggered a memory about a boo-boo made in the Original Series episode Court Martial in which Kirk tells the computer to magnify (amplify?) the audio by “one to the fourth power.” For those of you who are math impaired, one to the fourth power is one.

I’m really surprised that got by everyone during the creation of the episode. I guess television production is really a fast-paced, “no time to question anything” environment!

I’m looking forward to all the giraffes, I mean gaffes, that J.J. Abrams is going to let slip by. Hey, I’m not wishing any ill-fortune on him, I’m just commenting on the human condition.

]]> By: Henrik https://filmjunk.com/2008/04/21/treknobabble-13-the-rise-and-fall-of-the-next-generation/comment-page-1/#comment-384763 Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:54:39 +0000 http://www.filmjunk.com/2008/04/21/treknobabble-13-the-rise-and-fall-of-the-next-generation/#comment-384763 Your brain is amazing, you make up wordplays without even knowing it. Imagine if we hook you up to Reginald Barclays machine from The Nth Degree? You will puzzle the wordsmiths across the nations.

]]> By: Reed Farrington https://filmjunk.com/2008/04/21/treknobabble-13-the-rise-and-fall-of-the-next-generation/comment-page-1/#comment-384762 Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:52:12 +0000 http://www.filmjunk.com/2008/04/21/treknobabble-13-the-rise-and-fall-of-the-next-generation/#comment-384762 Um, your logic is impeccable, Henrik.

If I was a computer, I’d explode right about now. (With a nod to the Original Series.)

]]> By: Henrik https://filmjunk.com/2008/04/21/treknobabble-13-the-rise-and-fall-of-the-next-generation/comment-page-1/#comment-384645 Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:26:07 +0000 http://www.filmjunk.com/2008/04/21/treknobabble-13-the-rise-and-fall-of-the-next-generation/#comment-384645 Since she is married to your brother, aren’t you her brother-in-law too? What do you call the brother of your wife? Wouldn’t it be the same as the husbond of your sister? This is confusing stuff, I will never get married.

]]> By: Reed Farrington https://filmjunk.com/2008/04/21/treknobabble-13-the-rise-and-fall-of-the-next-generation/comment-page-1/#comment-384643 Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:18:19 +0000 http://www.filmjunk.com/2008/04/21/treknobabble-13-the-rise-and-fall-of-the-next-generation/#comment-384643 Henrik, I hate in-law word puzzles and I often misunderstand the usage myself, but I don’t think my sister-in-law’s brother-in-law can be me unless I had a brother who was married to my sister.

My brother’s wife is my sister-in-law. She has a sister whose husband I am referring to is my sister-in-law’s brother-in-law.

Oh, wait. If I was married to my sister-in-law’s sister, then I would be my sister-in-law’s brother-in-law as well.

All I really know about these word puzzles is that the doctor is a female. (That’s a joke. Don’t worry if you don’t understand it.)

And to make this post somewhat relevant to Star Trek, Ron D. Moore’s next announced project after Battlestar Galactica sounds interesting. It sounds like a series based on holodeck misadventures.

BTW, I didn’t mean to dismiss Battlestar Galactica so offhandedly although my first impressions are not unlike those of Henry’s. I guess I can wait until the DVD sets come down in price. Oh, I don’t have cable TV and BG isn’t available off the airwaves where I am. Otherwise, I would watch it.

]]> By: Henrik https://filmjunk.com/2008/04/21/treknobabble-13-the-rise-and-fall-of-the-next-generation/comment-page-1/#comment-384599 Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:54:02 +0000 http://www.filmjunk.com/2008/04/21/treknobabble-13-the-rise-and-fall-of-the-next-generation/#comment-384599 Just took my time to think about this:

“my sister-in-law’s brother-in-law’”

Is this not yourself? Or am I getting the in-law system wrong?

]]> By: Henrik https://filmjunk.com/2008/04/21/treknobabble-13-the-rise-and-fall-of-the-next-generation/comment-page-1/#comment-384542 Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:34:51 +0000 http://www.filmjunk.com/2008/04/21/treknobabble-13-the-rise-and-fall-of-the-next-generation/#comment-384542 Eh… I was commenting on Reed initially saying it was the season 1 ender, and the absurdity of this statement. I guess you can’t plan for people misunderstanding everything.

I am pretty sure the episode started with somebody dying, and that lead to a discussion of the low personnel for pilots, so they scraped together anybody who had any sort of flight knowledge.

And for people being treated like shit for a prolonged period of time to be excited to go back, I find ludicrous. It was so “Yay! We get to die for our race! WOOHOOO! Take that alien scum.”

Her relationship with the admiral was basically dealt with in the one scene where she told him she killed his kid, and he said “Get back to work”.

But there was another episode where the admiral and his chubby, lovable sidekick had some sort of 15-minute sleep-every-so-and-so-hours thing going on. The admiral was like “is it your turn or mine?” and the sidekick went “It’s your turn, get some rest Sir”. Then some anonymous messenger boy apparently knows everything that’s going on because he ASKS the sidekick “Uhh, isn’t it your turn?” and of course, the military fantasy-style XO replies with dialogue like: “If the old man can’t remember whos turn it is, it’s his turn.” It’s a fucking ridiculous show.

]]> By: Rusty James https://filmjunk.com/2008/04/21/treknobabble-13-the-rise-and-fall-of-the-next-generation/comment-page-1/#comment-384340 Tue, 22 Apr 2008 02:35:30 +0000 http://www.filmjunk.com/2008/04/21/treknobabble-13-the-rise-and-fall-of-the-next-generation/#comment-384340 Henrik, Can’t agree on your police work 100% concerning BSG. It doesn’t really count as having watched the show to see a few random episodes. It’s a continuous story line, So to watch random episodes out of order doesn’t cut it. The point of that particular episode was Starbuck’s relationship with the Admiral. Of course you would’ve missed that if you hadn’t been following the story so far. And all the rookies were certaintly volunteers. The point is made explicit.
And to say it’s a “military commercial” is to tragically and embarrassingly misinterpret what you were watching.

Unfortunately the compilation episode was the series 2 finale. If only you’d bothered to look it up! You can give Reed his written apology here or just email it too him in private.

]]> By: Henrik https://filmjunk.com/2008/04/21/treknobabble-13-the-rise-and-fall-of-the-next-generation/comment-page-1/#comment-384304 Tue, 22 Apr 2008 01:11:24 +0000 http://www.filmjunk.com/2008/04/21/treknobabble-13-the-rise-and-fall-of-the-next-generation/#comment-384304 Just to be clear to people getting the wrong idea, I AM joking with the Deja Q comments. It was just because Reed mentioned Tapestry was his favourite because he could relate to it personally, made me think about why Deja Q is my favourite episode. Seemed like a funny enough conclusion to warrant a joke.

]]> By: Henrik https://filmjunk.com/2008/04/21/treknobabble-13-the-rise-and-fall-of-the-next-generation/comment-page-1/#comment-384296 Tue, 22 Apr 2008 01:03:49 +0000 http://www.filmjunk.com/2008/04/21/treknobabble-13-the-rise-and-fall-of-the-next-generation/#comment-384296 Imagine having a compilation episode to end your first season! Next Gen is confident in its stories, but it’s not arrogant.

Battlestar Galactica is edgy bullshit. I have only watched 3-4 episodes and it’s absolutely unberable. One had a storyline where the female pilot had to deal with having sent somebody she loved in the air before he was ready. Therefore when she had to train new pilots she treated them like shit, with unintentional hilarity. “What’s your name Ms.?” – “You will call me God”. And after she had treated them like shit for the entire episode (mixed with her previous relationship, most of which took place during sexual acts apparently, TONS of close-ups of ears and lips) she tells them to fuck off for life. Then somebody tells her they have to finish, and she tells them they can go back in school. Of course these poor people who did not choose to go into pilote training, they were forced because the human race is in such dire straits, are CELEBRATING that they get to go back! It was the biggest military commercial I had seen since I saw Transformers! Obviously things now go amazingly well, since the trainer has now confessed to the father of the man she killed because love had blinded her, and everybody is good friends. Then she sacrificed herself in true american fashion. “You guys get back to the ship. Tell them to take off. We can’t save us, but I’ll do what I can to GIVE THEM HELL” (that one’s a paraphrase, but quoted for truth).

It’s everything that Star Trek is not. It’s pathetic. Not even going into the ridiculous style where every other shot will have the same sort of zoom-in-zoom-out framing – something that was copied in C&C3:Tiberium Wars, which coincidentally also has the woman in the red dress from Battlestar Galactica in the cutscenes.

]]> By: Reed Farrington https://filmjunk.com/2008/04/21/treknobabble-13-the-rise-and-fall-of-the-next-generation/comment-page-1/#comment-384278 Tue, 22 Apr 2008 00:38:28 +0000 http://www.filmjunk.com/2008/04/21/treknobabble-13-the-rise-and-fall-of-the-next-generation/#comment-384278 OK, Henrik, if you weren’t baiting me, Rusty surely is. When I wrote that cliffhanger line, I actually did think twice about it. I know Shades of Grey was the first season ender that was a compilation episode poo-pooed by everybody. Oh, wait, that was the second season ender. The first season ender was that lame people in suspended animation episode with the Romulans saying they were back at the end. Ack, I’m too lazy to even look this up.

Anyway, I quickly wanted to mention that I haven’t been watching Battlestar Galactica. I only saw the pilot and a scattering of first season episodes. I know. I know. It’s a great series. Blah, blah, blah.

]]> By: Rusty James https://filmjunk.com/2008/04/21/treknobabble-13-the-rise-and-fall-of-the-next-generation/comment-page-1/#comment-384274 Tue, 22 Apr 2008 00:20:10 +0000 http://www.filmjunk.com/2008/04/21/treknobabble-13-the-rise-and-fall-of-the-next-generation/#comment-384274 @ “My favourite episode is Deja Q – maybe I actually relate to Q, feeling like a God constantly trying to get used to this human body”

classic henrik!

I gotta agree that you dropped the ball in a big way Reed. BOBW was the season 3 cliffhanger! How could you miss it? How hard is it too look up? Boo Boo.
The tide is turning against you. Your halcyon days of ST commentary are over, now you’re entering a dark period.

Anyways, among us hard core FJ trek fans, what’s the concensus on Ron Moore’s current show Battlestar Galactica. I’m loving season 4 so far, especially last episode. But it’s so relentlessly depressing.

DS9 does not belong on a list of 50 greatest TV shows.

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