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	<title>Comments on: Treknobabble #12: What Has Gone Before At The Movies, Part 3</title>
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		<title>By: Reed Farrington</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Reed Farrington]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 08:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Chris: Thx for trying to clear up my speculations. (BTW, I&#039;m never embarrassed about being wrong, but I&#039;d be embarrassed if I told someone they were wrong when they weren&#039;t. :-))

I don&#039;t remember there being anything said about phasing in and out of the space/time continuum, but I&#039;ll take your word for it. I&#039;ve got a new speculation then. Why didn&#039;t Soran exit a spaceship with a life-support suit on and let the Nexus pass over him? (Actually, how did he know that he had a better chance entering the Nexus from a planet than a spaceship?)

Regarding Picard, Soran, echo Guinan, and Kirk, I&#039;m trying to remember what my point was. You&#039;re correct in saying that Picard and Soran got put into the Nexus when Soran was able to get it to pass over them. I don&#039;t remember how Picard was able to meet up with the echo Guinan in the Nexus. Was it the echo Guinan who arranged that? Was it the echo Guinan who got Picard to meet up with Kirk? I guess I&#039;m confused as to the point of going back to the planet with Kirk just before Soran launched the missile. Would they have been able to go back earlier to before Soran started destroying planets? Couldn&#039;t Picard and Kirk have gotten more people to come out of the Nexus to help with stopping Soran? I suppose if you don&#039;t question the Nexus (or the Red Matter in the latest Star Trek movie), then you&#039;ll be satisfied with what happens in the movie.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Chris: Thx for trying to clear up my speculations. (BTW, I&#8217;m never embarrassed about being wrong, but I&#8217;d be embarrassed if I told someone they were wrong when they weren&#8217;t. :-))</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t remember there being anything said about phasing in and out of the space/time continuum, but I&#8217;ll take your word for it. I&#8217;ve got a new speculation then. Why didn&#8217;t Soran exit a spaceship with a life-support suit on and let the Nexus pass over him? (Actually, how did he know that he had a better chance entering the Nexus from a planet than a spaceship?)</p>
<p>Regarding Picard, Soran, echo Guinan, and Kirk, I&#8217;m trying to remember what my point was. You&#8217;re correct in saying that Picard and Soran got put into the Nexus when Soran was able to get it to pass over them. I don&#8217;t remember how Picard was able to meet up with the echo Guinan in the Nexus. Was it the echo Guinan who arranged that? Was it the echo Guinan who got Picard to meet up with Kirk? I guess I&#8217;m confused as to the point of going back to the planet with Kirk just before Soran launched the missile. Would they have been able to go back earlier to before Soran started destroying planets? Couldn&#8217;t Picard and Kirk have gotten more people to come out of the Nexus to help with stopping Soran? I suppose if you don&#8217;t question the Nexus (or the Red Matter in the latest Star Trek movie), then you&#8217;ll be satisfied with what happens in the movie.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 02:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I read your review on Star Trek Generations, having just watched it last night I have the story fresh in mind, your review and speculation is full of obvious narrative holes.

Let me explain a few:
for one, they explained why you couldnt fly into the Nexus with a ship, it would buckle under the stress as we saw in the first 10 minutes. Although the lifesigns on the ships were phasing in and out of the current space/time continuum, when the ships exploded a fair few wouldn&#039;t of survived. Kirk was lucky that he phased into the Nexus before the vacuum of space took him.

Guinan was not responsible at all for Picard getting into the Nexus, he was on the planet with Zoren when the Nexus took them... the Guinan Picard encountered was an echo of the woman that was ripped away, something like a spirit, so there was no way she could return with Picard, cos in reality she already was, on board the Enterprise-D.



I have no problem with critiquing films, whether its negative or positive in its review, but it should be accurate otherwise its just embarrassing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read your review on Star Trek Generations, having just watched it last night I have the story fresh in mind, your review and speculation is full of obvious narrative holes.</p>
<p>Let me explain a few:<br />
for one, they explained why you couldnt fly into the Nexus with a ship, it would buckle under the stress as we saw in the first 10 minutes. Although the lifesigns on the ships were phasing in and out of the current space/time continuum, when the ships exploded a fair few wouldn&#8217;t of survived. Kirk was lucky that he phased into the Nexus before the vacuum of space took him.</p>
<p>Guinan was not responsible at all for Picard getting into the Nexus, he was on the planet with Zoren when the Nexus took them&#8230; the Guinan Picard encountered was an echo of the woman that was ripped away, something like a spirit, so there was no way she could return with Picard, cos in reality she already was, on board the Enterprise-D.</p>
<p>I have no problem with critiquing films, whether its negative or positive in its review, but it should be accurate otherwise its just embarrassing.</p>
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		<title>By: Rusty James</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rusty James]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But Andrew, if you like the borg you should despise First Contact. They&#039;re never scary again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Andrew, if you like the borg you should despise First Contact. They&#8217;re never scary again.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew James</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew James]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 03:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;ThatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s a strange photo Sean found for Generations. Looks like a mini-Picard is doing a jig on SoranÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s arm.&quot; = LOL.

Loved First Contact.  Hated Insurrection (though the chick Picard doesn&#039;t kiss is hot). I fascinated with the Borg and even more fascinated with developing a story that is closer to our own time (sort of why I didn&#039;t hate T3, because I like how everthing is explained and it takes place a very few short years from now).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;ThatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s a strange photo Sean found for Generations. Looks like a mini-Picard is doing a jig on SoranÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s arm.&#8221; = LOL.</p>
<p>Loved First Contact.  Hated Insurrection (though the chick Picard doesn&#8217;t kiss is hot). I fascinated with the Borg and even more fascinated with developing a story that is closer to our own time (sort of why I didn&#8217;t hate T3, because I like how everthing is explained and it takes place a very few short years from now).</p>
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		<title>By: Reed Farrington</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Reed Farrington]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 21:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s a strange photo Sean found for Generations.  Looks like a mini-Picard is doing a jig on Soran&#039;s arm.

Yeah, I felt like a turd-head for dismissing the Next Gen films with a few off-hand comments.

Henrik, you&#039;re going to be suicidal after reading my Rise and Fall of The Next Generation Treknobabble article.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a strange photo Sean found for Generations.  Looks like a mini-Picard is doing a jig on Soran&#8217;s arm.</p>
<p>Yeah, I felt like a turd-head for dismissing the Next Gen films with a few off-hand comments.</p>
<p>Henrik, you&#8217;re going to be suicidal after reading my Rise and Fall of The Next Generation Treknobabble article.</p>
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		<title>By: Henrik</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Henrik]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 21:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[B-4 is indeed more retarded than the Pakled. Were they realy retarded though? Smarter than a starfleet Lt. Cmdr.!

This part 12 is a depressing read. I think you&#039;re tough on the films, but it could just be me who&#039;s too kind toward them. I&#039;m sure you feel the same way with people making posts like this about The Final Frontier.

Insurrection has a good main theme and nice visual effects. Those two elements can make nearly anything watchable (see also: The Time Machine remake (apropos uber-asshole John Logan), Mortal Kombat, Star Wars I-VI).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>B-4 is indeed more retarded than the Pakled. Were they realy retarded though? Smarter than a starfleet Lt. Cmdr.!</p>
<p>This part 12 is a depressing read. I think you&#8217;re tough on the films, but it could just be me who&#8217;s too kind toward them. I&#8217;m sure you feel the same way with people making posts like this about The Final Frontier.</p>
<p>Insurrection has a good main theme and nice visual effects. Those two elements can make nearly anything watchable (see also: The Time Machine remake (apropos uber-asshole John Logan), Mortal Kombat, Star Wars I-VI).</p>
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		<title>By: kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kurt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 20:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not a big fan of any of the TNG movies (the old crew went out on  a high note with The Undiscovered Country), it was strange since the villains in 3/4 of TNG movies are played by really good (even iconic) actors, in particular F. Murray Abraham and Malcolm MacDowell, and I have a real soft spot fo Alice Krige, even hamming it up in the Silent Hill movie.

I think TNG writers got really lazy with the Borg and Time Travel devices that were overly played out in The Original Series...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not a big fan of any of the TNG movies (the old crew went out on  a high note with The Undiscovered Country), it was strange since the villains in 3/4 of TNG movies are played by really good (even iconic) actors, in particular F. Murray Abraham and Malcolm MacDowell, and I have a real soft spot fo Alice Krige, even hamming it up in the Silent Hill movie.</p>
<p>I think TNG writers got really lazy with the Borg and Time Travel devices that were overly played out in The Original Series&#8230;</p>
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