Film Junk Podcast Episode #163: Shine A Light

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0:00-05:15 – Intro
05:15-27:45 – Headlines: Charlton Heston Dies, Short Circuit Remake, Dark City Director’s Cut in Theatres, Chilean Mayor Loses It Over James Bond Shoot
27:45-47:35 – Junk Mail
47:35-56:18 – Stuff We Watched This Week: All The Real Girls, Undertow, The Ice Storm, Black Moon Rising
56:18-1:15:55 – Review: Shine A Light
1:15:55-1:26:45 – Trailer Trash: Blindness, Paranormal Activity, Hellboy II
1:26:45-1:30:00 – Top 5 Charlton Heston Lines
1:30:00-1:32:25 – This Week’s DVD Releases
1:32:25-1:35:26 – Outro

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  • Whats with Jay sabotaging first Seans funny story, then the news story and then proceeding to leave the show several times afterwards? What a cocksucker.

  • Sean – Time to watch KILLER OF SHEEP. George Washington is a real riff off that classic Burnett film. All the Real Girls has elements in there too. Loved the pacing in All the Real Girls (which co-incidentally had a free 35mm screening in Toronto last Friday…and I watched the film for the first time.)

    All the Real Girls was indeed a great experience.

  • Black Moon Rising is a real guilty pleasure. Although I only really remember the Lamborghini jump across the two buildings…

  • Henrik, you wouldn’t have noticed me leaving the show several times if there wasn’t a theme song for it.

  • Itchy-Finger

    Yes, thank god for them songs, otherwise I would never know when to push “stop”.

  • Itchy-Finger

    I spelt “theme” wrong, what a dumbass.

  • Long time listener, first time caller,

    I tried to do that survey and fraked it up. I’m a police detective so maybe this will buy me stock with Jay. I’m going to throw out my feedback here if I may, for what it’s worth (.02 cents American):

    1. I like the film reviews but I think you guys are strongest when you digress into personal stories and discuss pop culture news. The “three guys sitting bullshitting” dynamic is fantastic. You have good chemistry together and that makes the show entertaining. Opening yourselves to the audience breeds familiarity.

    2. I love Greg but he needs to expand his knowledge of films. His skill set of HMV tales, wrestling and hockey stories does bring something to the table though.

    3. You guys looked so stiff on the video casts!

    4. Jay and Greg need to ease up on nerds, especially the sci fi nerds. You guys are kinda nerds yourselves. that’s not a bad thing.

    If any of you guys make it to the Tampa area of Florida, drop me an email, I’ll take you on a police ride along that will make you shit your pants!

    Thanks for the hard work,

    Love Lord Dungbeetle.

  • Goon

    I bet a Tampa police ride would be pants shitting, however Clearwater is right next door, and at least half their police are Scientologists.

  • You want to shit your pants, come to Philadelphia and I’ll get you set up with a ride along. Google the Philadelphia homocide rate– you may shit your pants a little just doing that. Yeah– it’s just not a safe city.

  • Homocide? Philly has alot of hatecrimes?

  • Hey guys,

    Thanks for all of the great suggestions on ways to shit shit my pants.

    I will gladly accept any and all offers for ride-alongs. The more chance of pants shitting, the better.

  • Liz

    LOL This is the first time I’ve ever bothered listening to the podcast because I wanted to know what you guys thought of Shine A Light. I saw it in IMAX on Friday and agree that as far as concert films go, it was pretty good. However, if you’re a big Stones fan and have seen them in concert at least once in the last fifteen years, you’re pretty much guaranteed to see the exact same thing you’ve seen in concert in the past. Despite what the start of the movie would make you believe, there’s not a lot of spontanaeity in a show like this; the set list is pretty planned, the arrangements never change, and even the numerous encores are set in stone (har har) from the beginning. This isn’t a negative thing, just that if you’ve seen them before, you should go into this expecting to see it all again, just on a larger scale.

    [I should point out that at all the Stones shows I’ve been to, there have always been super-hot women in their early twenties in the crowd. I don’t doubt that some of them were strategically placed in the front row for this movie, but it’s not like they’re uncommon at Stones shows.]

    As far as a documentary goes, this movie completely failed me. I had really huge expectations of this film because of what Scorsese managed to do with The Band on The Last Waltz in 1978 and really, his involvement on this movie is barely noticable. I feel like anyone could have directed it, which I find rather depressing since Scorsese is my favourite director and the Stones are my favourite band, so I was hoping this would be the ultimate collaboration. And that was the problem: unlike with The Last Waltz, there was no collaboration on this film, not really. I know you guys thought the tension at the start between Mick and Marty was somewhat put on, but I really liked that push-pull dichotomy between them and think it was pretty genuine (based on how the Stones work and how Scorsese works). I would have loved to see a film that was a lot more process-oriented, but we basically just got the same kind of film we get at the end of every Stones tour. (Minus footage from Ronnie Wood’s guitar neck cam, thank god.)

    I don’t know, I wasn’t overly impressed by this movie. The selling point for me was Scorsese’s presence, and since they did so little with that, I feel like I should have just gone to an actual Stones show instead.

  • Thanks for the input Lord Dungbeetle.

    In truth Greg isn’t the only one who needs to expand his knowledge of films, but hey, there are only so many hours in a day. I like to think that we offer a perspective that falls somewhere in between the uber-film guru and the average moviegoer.

    If we looked stiff on the video podcasts it might be because the cameras are usually fixed and we were worried about staying in the frame. Or it could be because we are robots.

    It goes without saying that Jay and Greg are nerds in denial.

    And be careful what you offer to Jay… he just migt show up at your door with a video camera ready to shoot a documentary while shitting his pants.

  • Hey Liz, I can see where you’re coming from. I guess the question is, would you rather see the Stones in concert at a big stadium venue where you’re too far away from the stage to see what’s going on, or watch a movie like this that immerses you in the performance from every possible angle? I guess it’s hard to beat the live atmosphere, but I am not a big fan of huge arena shows.

    That’s a good point about The Last Waltz though. We never really touched on that (and I haven’t seen it), but comparatively speaking I think that movie offers a lot more than Shine A Light.

  • Liz

    Oh, it’s true, nothing beats being able to see the Stones six stories high and without rows and rows of other fans in front of you, but I find that with a band like the Stones who have always been much better live than they are on record (not that they don’t have some phenomenal records, because they do), it’s tough to transcend that same experience of being at an actual show to seeing it on the big screen, second hand and pre-recorded 18 months earlier. It’s mostly why I’ve never been a big fan of concert films in general, especially with bands like the Stones: it only ever gives you a fraction of the experience and it’s never as good as you remember the live show being.

    You should definitely see The Last Waltz, though, if only so you can see what Shine A Light could have been. There’s a making-of featurette on the Last Waltz DVD that explains how Scorsese’s attempt to create a script for the film was to find out what songs they would be playing in the concert and then to storyboard the lyrics. Like, they show the storyboards and they’ve got the lines underneath and specific shots they want to make for each of those lines, with accompanying lighting, etc. It’s intense! So at the start of Shine A Light when Scorsese is having a heart attack at not having the set list, you have a better idea of just how meticulous he has been with this sort of thing in the past and why he’s popping several blood vessels in that scene.

    The other great thing about The Last Waltz is that there’s a structure to it and an actual sense of purpose that is definitely missing in Shine A Light. The Last Waltz was The Band’s last show and so it’s very circular, with all the people from The Band’s past showing up first in the stories they tell about life on the road and then followed by performances with those same people. It’s a pretty simple way to do it, but it’s terribly effective. The Stones, like The Band, have pretty much had a life on the road so a similar format could have worked in this context. I mean, I understand completely that Scorsese might have no interest in replicating the structure of that film in the new one, but it allowed for a nice depth that is sorely lacking from Shine A Light.

    Truthfully, I don’t think it would have been amiss to take a This Is Spinal Tap type approach to it, only without the Stones continually failing in the current timeline (although obviously that failure is what makes Spinal Tap so funny, but I digress).

    Also, these accidentally keep turning into the longest comments ever. Oops.

  • Greg

    Expand my knowledge of films, eh?

    If you don’t count documentaries, I’ve probably seen as many films as Jay and I would guess more than Sean.

    Through high school and college, I went to the theatre twice a week on average. I’ve seen a lot of film…I’ve also seen a lot of shitty film.

    They’ve both seen more recent films than I have. That’s a definite. Films made before…say…1995?…I’ve probably got them beat.

  • I wouldn’t argue that fact… I don’t even know what El Cid is……!

  • Dale

    On the subject raised of old rockers not keeping form – Greg mentioned the Police and I thought he was about to say they broke the mould (perhaps you could clarify Greg) but was interrupted and didn’t complete his sentence.

    I saw them play in Sydney in January and their light shone as brightly as ever (and yes I’m old enough to remember them pre break-up).