Comments on: Treknobabble #9: What Has Gone Before At The Movies, Part 1 https://filmjunk.com/2008/03/14/treknobabble-9-what-has-gone-before-at-the-movies-part-1/ The World's Longest-Running Movie Podcast Fri, 24 Sep 2021 06:46:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.1.33 By: Caron Stentzel https://filmjunk.com/2008/03/14/treknobabble-9-what-has-gone-before-at-the-movies-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-573805 Sun, 26 Apr 2009 12:11:23 +0000 http://www.filmjunk.com/2008/03/14/treknobabble-9-what-has-gone-before-at-the-movies-part-1/#comment-573805 Come on dude, these facts* and proof* i mean who is posting* lol :P

]]> By: Henrik https://filmjunk.com/2008/03/14/treknobabble-9-what-has-gone-before-at-the-movies-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-368244 Wed, 19 Mar 2008 00:41:53 +0000 http://www.filmjunk.com/2008/03/14/treknobabble-9-what-has-gone-before-at-the-movies-part-1/#comment-368244 Like I said it’s an ongoing attempt.

]]> By: Rusty James https://filmjunk.com/2008/03/14/treknobabble-9-what-has-gone-before-at-the-movies-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-368223 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 23:21:25 +0000 http://www.filmjunk.com/2008/03/14/treknobabble-9-what-has-gone-before-at-the-movies-part-1/#comment-368223 I don’t think it counts as not judging if you still make snotty comments.

]]> By: Henrik https://filmjunk.com/2008/03/14/treknobabble-9-what-has-gone-before-at-the-movies-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-368074 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:34:43 +0000 http://www.filmjunk.com/2008/03/14/treknobabble-9-what-has-gone-before-at-the-movies-part-1/#comment-368074 I would judge you Rusty, but I am trying to get away from doing that.

]]> By: Rusty James https://filmjunk.com/2008/03/14/treknobabble-9-what-has-gone-before-at-the-movies-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-367967 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 09:21:38 +0000 http://www.filmjunk.com/2008/03/14/treknobabble-9-what-has-gone-before-at-the-movies-part-1/#comment-367967 Actually Henrik, a lot of my favorite episodes are action heavy. Kirk fights the gorn, Amok Time, The First Romulans Episode, Yesterday’s Enterprise, The Enterprise Incident, Best of both Worlds, Doomsday Machine. Of course Wrath of Khan.

I agree about first contact.

]]> By: Henrik https://filmjunk.com/2008/03/14/treknobabble-9-what-has-gone-before-at-the-movies-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-367895 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 05:51:17 +0000 http://www.filmjunk.com/2008/03/14/treknobabble-9-what-has-gone-before-at-the-movies-part-1/#comment-367895 However, I do agree that Nemesis is painful. Watching Nemesis is like having your wife die from cancer.

]]> By: Henrik https://filmjunk.com/2008/03/14/treknobabble-9-what-has-gone-before-at-the-movies-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-367866 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 04:11:08 +0000 http://www.filmjunk.com/2008/03/14/treknobabble-9-what-has-gone-before-at-the-movies-part-1/#comment-367866 I don’t mind Insurrection. There are some decent parts to the film, and the idea could have been interesting (it still is to some degree). The desire to make Star Trek a ‘sci-fi-action’ movie is what has always bogged it down though. Remember your favourite episodes of Star Trek? Was the action ever a plus in them? Not for me it’s not. Funny how people seem to like First Contact the best, when it’s the least ambitious of the films. Although I guess it does have the speech about how humanity becomes united which is pretty unforgetable.

]]> By: Rusty James https://filmjunk.com/2008/03/14/treknobabble-9-what-has-gone-before-at-the-movies-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-367801 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 00:37:10 +0000 http://www.filmjunk.com/2008/03/14/treknobabble-9-what-has-gone-before-at-the-movies-part-1/#comment-367801 Kurt, I agree with every word you’ve written. Though I would not die for your right to say it.

The problem with the TNG movies is that the “show runners” became extremely conservative. They only wanted to tell certain types of stories in certain ways. They subscribed to a dogmatic cannon which they refused to challenge. Every movie wanted to be Wrath of Khan. Some of the films literally seem like remakes sometimes.
And every idea needed to be run through the continuity filter. I read an interesting interview with one of the DS9 writers who was also a consultant on some of the films and everyone of his ideas was met with “what does this mean for voyager”, “how will we reconcile this for the films”. Why even bother if that’s gonna be your attitude?

It’s ironic because the guy who informed the TNG aesthetic more than anyone else was Nick Meyers and he didn’t give a shit about continuity. Sometimes it seemed like he went out of his way to contradict it.

By the way, I know someone who actually liked Insurrection.

Reed, I’d be curious to read an article defending the muddy / ass ugly production design of the latter films. Seriously, Star Trek V looks better than Nemesis.
As for not wanting to attack something that people tried hard to make good; I don’t think that applies to the TNG, especially not the last two.

]]> By: Reed Farrington https://filmjunk.com/2008/03/14/treknobabble-9-what-has-gone-before-at-the-movies-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-367711 Mon, 17 Mar 2008 21:20:59 +0000 http://www.filmjunk.com/2008/03/14/treknobabble-9-what-has-gone-before-at-the-movies-part-1/#comment-367711 Sorry, Rusty. I should have given you credit for the impetus behind the article. You make a good point in the religious overtones present in the original cast movies.

I agree with most of what you said Kurt, although I wouldn’t criticize the direction or production design. I’m having a hard time getting inspiration for Part 3 of the articles reviewing the movies. I really do hate to make negative comments about things that people have tried really hard to make good.

]]> By: Kurt https://filmjunk.com/2008/03/14/treknobabble-9-what-has-gone-before-at-the-movies-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-367641 Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:55:37 +0000 http://www.filmjunk.com/2008/03/14/treknobabble-9-what-has-gone-before-at-the-movies-part-1/#comment-367641 Why did all the Next Generation movies look so flat and uninspired. They had some good actors in the Villain Roles:

F. Murray Abraham
Malcolm McDowell
Anthony Zerbe (double duty as villain in OmegaMan!)
Alice Krige (this actress is a thousand degrees of awesome, wasted here and in Silent Hill)
Ron Perlman

yet somehow, bad direction and lame production design, and a desire to keep destroying the mother ship and time travel crushed all of the TNG films. I dislike all of them.

Star Trek V and Star Trek VI (the last two original cast member movies) are both seriously underrated.

]]> By: Rusty James https://filmjunk.com/2008/03/14/treknobabble-9-what-has-gone-before-at-the-movies-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-367381 Mon, 17 Mar 2008 02:05:08 +0000 http://www.filmjunk.com/2008/03/14/treknobabble-9-what-has-gone-before-at-the-movies-part-1/#comment-367381 This is great. I asked for this in the comments of your first post. It out to say “Because Rusty James and to a lesser extent Drew both asked.”

I think all of the original cast movies are good and all of the TNG movies are bad. One of the most interesting things about the original cast movies are the atheist/theist themes that run through the series. V’ger communing with it’s creator, Khan the genetically enhanced warrior made in man’s image, Spock returning from the dead (via the genesis device) and of course the unforgettable Final Frontier where they actually meet God and kill him by shooting him in the face with lazers.
It’s a satisfying arc that runs through the movies. And it adds so much to context the painting Spock has in his room in VI.
Man as creator / man as god / man killing god / man being killed by his own creation. Awesome stuff that’s often over looked.

]]> By: Drew https://filmjunk.com/2008/03/14/treknobabble-9-what-has-gone-before-at-the-movies-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-367046 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 02:48:14 +0000 http://www.filmjunk.com/2008/03/14/treknobabble-9-what-has-gone-before-at-the-movies-part-1/#comment-367046 You listened! :)

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