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	<title>Comments on: Treknobabble #4: Has J.J.Abrams Watched Star Trek: Enterprise?</title>
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		<title>By: Toy</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wanted to comment and thank the author, good stuff]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wanted to comment and thank the author, good stuff</p>
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		<title>By: SolesGirlRachel</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SolesGirlRachel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 23:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Henrik,

To answer your question, no, I&#039;m single. :) Only committed to moi. :p]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Henrik,</p>
<p>To answer your question, no, I&#8217;m single. <img src="https://filmjunk.com/cms/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley" /> Only committed to moi. :p</p>
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		<title>By: Henrik</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Henrik]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rachel, are you currently in a comitted relationship?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rachel, are you currently in a comitted relationship?</p>
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		<title>By: SolesGirlRachel</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SolesGirlRachel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 08:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I promise to leave way shorter comments from now on, seriously. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I promise to leave way shorter comments from now on, seriously. <img src="https://filmjunk.com/cms/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
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		<title>By: SolesGirlRachel</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SolesGirlRachel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 08:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Reed *hugs, and gives Henrik two CC&#039;s of Sonambutril, Phlox&#039;s sedative of the day, lol*. :)

[begin rant]
I agree that Enterprise failed to pull in adequate ratings etc. But for what it&#039;s worth:

- UPN was never fully available in North America. It&#039;s hard to point to ratings when up to 25 percent of the US can&#039;t even choose to watch the show.

- UPN underwent tremendous upheaval not too long after Enterprise began (by the 4th season &quot;there wasn&#039;t a single familiar executive left around&quot;, according to Berman and some of the other actors - everyone who had backed the show had left), leaving people like Les Moonves making decisions. This was the guy who turned down the only offer in history from a well-organized viewing public to charitably donate more than $3 million US dollars to UPN, if only to see one more episode. Les said publicly at the time: &quot;I don&#039;t like sci fi&quot; and in a stroke of genius, cancelled Enterprise and replaced it with &quot;Britney &amp; Kevin: Chaotic&quot;. (Sorry, I just threw up a little in my mouth at the mere mention of that, lol.) Britney&#039;s ubber-crap reality show did dismally, even by reality-show standards, despite a massive advertising campaign (Enterprise could&#039;ve used some of that). The largest subway station in Toronto here for example, was actually plastered for more than a month in Britney &amp; Kevin: Chaotic ads - the floors, walls, et al. TV blurbs (i.e. 5 or 10 second &quot;watch Britney!&quot; ads) were so numerous I almost couldn&#039;t believe it. I&#039;d never seen advertising like it before or since. Anyway, UPN died an ignominous death shortly thereafter. Good move, Les.

- Enterprise was never a money-loser; it just didn&#039;t make *as much* profit as TNG did in its heyday, and small wonder considering the near total lack of advertising &amp; support from its shoddy UPN bosses.

In the end, despite the obstacles and business turmoils, I have to say Enterprise achieved what it set out to do and then some: to bring us Star Trek in the 22nd century, that was exciting and new. Things like the temporal cold war and the Xindi crisis meant that anything could happen. Events such as the 2 part Mirror Universe eps were a rare, special treat to any Trek fan (the Mirror ENT eps enhanced my appreciation of the related TOS eps). By the way, I remember tuning in to Part 1 with no idea they were gonna do a Mirror show, and being chilled to the core as Zephram did what he did...and in a perverse way, hugely excited to be seeing this dark universe again.

Was ENT as great as TOS? No, and it&#039;s not a fair comparison. I&#039;d say she&#039;ll be remembered as a fine chapter in the history of Trek though. She&#039;ll be remembered for the controversy &amp; misunderstandings surrounding her, if nothing else. ;) [/end rant]

I agree with you Reed, it&#039;s unlikely that we&#039;ll see *much* reference to ENT in the films to come. My only point was that a small reference or two (see Comment 6 in this thread) would cost nothing really, would please ENT fans, and wouldn&#039;t detract from the film&#039;s focus or drive away the larger audience. As much as I love ENT, I have to say that I don&#039;t believe it would translate well to the big screen in a film, if only because a larger audience wouldn&#039;t go to see it. Its audience would be a niche, and I would hate to disservice such a fine show by seeing an ENT film draw even worse ratings than the hated Nemesis.

My apologies for the rant going on so long. I really ought to start a blog one of these days. :p *warm hugs*

Fondly,
Rachel :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Reed *hugs, and gives Henrik two CC&#8217;s of Sonambutril, Phlox&#8217;s sedative of the day, lol*. <img src="https://filmjunk.com/cms/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
<p>[begin rant]<br />
I agree that Enterprise failed to pull in adequate ratings etc. But for what it&#8217;s worth:</p>
<p>&#8211; UPN was never fully available in North America. It&#8217;s hard to point to ratings when up to 25 percent of the US can&#8217;t even choose to watch the show.</p>
<p>&#8211; UPN underwent tremendous upheaval not too long after Enterprise began (by the 4th season &#8220;there wasn&#8217;t a single familiar executive left around&#8221;, according to Berman and some of the other actors &#8211; everyone who had backed the show had left), leaving people like Les Moonves making decisions. This was the guy who turned down the only offer in history from a well-organized viewing public to charitably donate more than $3 million US dollars to UPN, if only to see one more episode. Les said publicly at the time: &#8220;I don&#8217;t like sci fi&#8221; and in a stroke of genius, cancelled Enterprise and replaced it with &#8220;Britney &amp; Kevin: Chaotic&#8221;. (Sorry, I just threw up a little in my mouth at the mere mention of that, lol.) Britney&#8217;s ubber-crap reality show did dismally, even by reality-show standards, despite a massive advertising campaign (Enterprise could&#8217;ve used some of that). The largest subway station in Toronto here for example, was actually plastered for more than a month in Britney &amp; Kevin: Chaotic ads &#8211; the floors, walls, et al. TV blurbs (i.e. 5 or 10 second &#8220;watch Britney!&#8221; ads) were so numerous I almost couldn&#8217;t believe it. I&#8217;d never seen advertising like it before or since. Anyway, UPN died an ignominous death shortly thereafter. Good move, Les.</p>
<p>&#8211; Enterprise was never a money-loser; it just didn&#8217;t make *as much* profit as TNG did in its heyday, and small wonder considering the near total lack of advertising &amp; support from its shoddy UPN bosses.</p>
<p>In the end, despite the obstacles and business turmoils, I have to say Enterprise achieved what it set out to do and then some: to bring us Star Trek in the 22nd century, that was exciting and new. Things like the temporal cold war and the Xindi crisis meant that anything could happen. Events such as the 2 part Mirror Universe eps were a rare, special treat to any Trek fan (the Mirror ENT eps enhanced my appreciation of the related TOS eps). By the way, I remember tuning in to Part 1 with no idea they were gonna do a Mirror show, and being chilled to the core as Zephram did what he did&#8230;and in a perverse way, hugely excited to be seeing this dark universe again.</p>
<p>Was ENT as great as TOS? No, and it&#8217;s not a fair comparison. I&#8217;d say she&#8217;ll be remembered as a fine chapter in the history of Trek though. She&#8217;ll be remembered for the controversy &amp; misunderstandings surrounding her, if nothing else. <img src="https://filmjunk.com/cms/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" class="wp-smiley" /> [/end rant]</p>
<p>I agree with you Reed, it&#8217;s unlikely that we&#8217;ll see *much* reference to ENT in the films to come. My only point was that a small reference or two (see Comment 6 in this thread) would cost nothing really, would please ENT fans, and wouldn&#8217;t detract from the film&#8217;s focus or drive away the larger audience. As much as I love ENT, I have to say that I don&#8217;t believe it would translate well to the big screen in a film, if only because a larger audience wouldn&#8217;t go to see it. Its audience would be a niche, and I would hate to disservice such a fine show by seeing an ENT film draw even worse ratings than the hated Nemesis.</p>
<p>My apologies for the rant going on so long. I really ought to start a blog one of these days. :p *warm hugs*</p>
<p>Fondly,<br />
Rachel <img src="https://filmjunk.com/cms/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
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		<title>By: Reed Farrington</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Reed Farrington]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Henrik, calm down.  You&#039;re going to scare Rachel away! :-)

Rachel, I love reading long comments as long as the comments don&#039;t ramble on.  You made some interesting comments.  I never even considered that the new movie would contain any reference to the series Enterprise.  I think Enterprise is considered a &quot;failure,&quot; so I doubt whether any future filmed Star Trek will make much reference to the events in Enterprise.  I realize each series has its group of devoted fans, but film and television cater to a much larger audience.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Henrik, calm down.  You&#8217;re going to scare Rachel away! <img src="https://filmjunk.com/cms/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
<p>Rachel, I love reading long comments as long as the comments don&#8217;t ramble on.  You made some interesting comments.  I never even considered that the new movie would contain any reference to the series Enterprise.  I think Enterprise is considered a &#8220;failure,&#8221; so I doubt whether any future filmed Star Trek will make much reference to the events in Enterprise.  I realize each series has its group of devoted fans, but film and television cater to a much larger audience.</p>
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		<title>By: Henrik</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Henrik]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMGGIRLTREKKIEWTF</p>
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		<title>By: SolesGirlRachel</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SolesGirlRachel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I love all Trek, but if I had to choose a fave series, it would be TOS, followed very closely by Enterprise. Enterprise is great! :)

Reed, I hear you in your above comment re: TOS. I&#039;m the same way, TOS is never boring and I&#039;ve seen them all a zillion times, lol. :) And like you, I too was really loving tuning in each week to Season 4 of Enterprise. A wonderful, all too short a season that I&#039;ll cherish (along with the attached fond memories).

I was homeless during Season 3, so it was my exciting retreat from reality each week, to tune in and see what would happen with the Xindi, what the Expanse held in store, etc.

I think we can agree that it&#039;d be a very nice gift to the fans to in some way acknowledge Enterprise in the new movie (it would cost nothing really, and would very much be appreciated). A mention of Archer...a Denobulan redshirt...or (hope against hope) new video footage of the crew or ship later on in their voyage...perhaps while Kirk is watching a briefing re: the Earth-Romulan War or something. I&#039;m going on way too long for a comment here, lol. Hoping the new movie will be good, I like Enterprise. There. :p

Fondly,
Rachel :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love all Trek, but if I had to choose a fave series, it would be TOS, followed very closely by Enterprise. Enterprise is great! <img src="https://filmjunk.com/cms/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
<p>Reed, I hear you in your above comment re: TOS. I&#8217;m the same way, TOS is never boring and I&#8217;ve seen them all a zillion times, lol. <img src="https://filmjunk.com/cms/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley" /> And like you, I too was really loving tuning in each week to Season 4 of Enterprise. A wonderful, all too short a season that I&#8217;ll cherish (along with the attached fond memories).</p>
<p>I was homeless during Season 3, so it was my exciting retreat from reality each week, to tune in and see what would happen with the Xindi, what the Expanse held in store, etc.</p>
<p>I think we can agree that it&#8217;d be a very nice gift to the fans to in some way acknowledge Enterprise in the new movie (it would cost nothing really, and would very much be appreciated). A mention of Archer&#8230;a Denobulan redshirt&#8230;or (hope against hope) new video footage of the crew or ship later on in their voyage&#8230;perhaps while Kirk is watching a briefing re: the Earth-Romulan War or something. I&#8217;m going on way too long for a comment here, lol. Hoping the new movie will be good, I like Enterprise. There. :p</p>
<p>Fondly,<br />
Rachel <img src="https://filmjunk.com/cms/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
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		<title>By: Reed Farrington</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Reed Farrington]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 21:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whoa, The Middleman.  You&#039;re the only person I know in the universe whose favourite of the Star Trek series is Enterprise.  You must explain, please.

Have you sampled all of the other series?  (I&#039;ll understand if you skipped the animated series,  although I imagine there&#039;s someone out there whose favourite Star Trek series is the animated series.)

I was starting to enjoy the 4th season, especially the scene with Archer and T&#039;Pol running on the surface of Vulcan.

I did love the whole premise of Enterprise and admired everything that Berman and Braga tried to do throughout its 4 year run.  Unfortunately, Enterprise was all too often boring for me.

You might say that I was burnt out on Star Trek, but I can still watch reruns of the Original Series without being bored which is kind of strange since I know what&#039;s going to happen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa, The Middleman.  You&#8217;re the only person I know in the universe whose favourite of the Star Trek series is Enterprise.  You must explain, please.</p>
<p>Have you sampled all of the other series?  (I&#8217;ll understand if you skipped the animated series,  although I imagine there&#8217;s someone out there whose favourite Star Trek series is the animated series.)</p>
<p>I was starting to enjoy the 4th season, especially the scene with Archer and T&#8217;Pol running on the surface of Vulcan.</p>
<p>I did love the whole premise of Enterprise and admired everything that Berman and Braga tried to do throughout its 4 year run.  Unfortunately, Enterprise was all too often boring for me.</p>
<p>You might say that I was burnt out on Star Trek, but I can still watch reruns of the Original Series without being bored which is kind of strange since I know what&#8217;s going to happen.</p>
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		<title>By: The Middleman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Middleman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 18:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Enterprise was my favorite of all the Trek series.  Abrams would be wise to acknowledge the canon Enterprise set.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enterprise was my favorite of all the Trek series.  Abrams would be wise to acknowledge the canon Enterprise set.</p>
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		<title>By: Henrik</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Henrik]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Live long and prosper indeed! I too despise Nemesis. But I also dislike Enterprise. At one point a station in Holland where I vacationed at, showed back-to-back episodes of Next Generation and Enterprise. At 1 in the morning no less. So after my parents had gone to bed, and my friend that was on the vacation with us had gone to sleep (he, like many of my friends, couldn&#039;t care less about Star Trek or staying up late), I would sneak up and enjoy myself with cookies, cigarettes and Star Trek. The one evening they showed &quot;Genesis&quot; first - an episode that creeped me out right then and there. I thought it was amazing that a Star Trek episode could be filmed in that way. After that they showed an episode of Enterprise where T&#039;Pol is exposed to a chemical that makes her feel stuff, and the crew of the enterprise go to a foreign ship to find out what the deal is. This totally showed how far Star Trek had fallen to me. Genesis is based on being creepy, suspenseful, not showing what&#039;s going on. Being patient, having enough faith in your story to let it develop around the characters. In the Enterprise episode, where they go to a foreign alien ship mind you, not knowing what they will encounter, within 90 seconds of them entering the ship, they are engaged in lasergun battles, that last for most of the episode. Pure actiondribble, that made my heart bleed for the loss of a loved one. Here is hoping that J.J. Abrams does not go the route of the team behind Star Trek Enterprise - but since he is the creator of Lost and Alias as well as the director of Mission Impossible 3, I am trying so hard to keep my emotions in check.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Live long and prosper indeed! I too despise Nemesis. But I also dislike Enterprise. At one point a station in Holland where I vacationed at, showed back-to-back episodes of Next Generation and Enterprise. At 1 in the morning no less. So after my parents had gone to bed, and my friend that was on the vacation with us had gone to sleep (he, like many of my friends, couldn&#8217;t care less about Star Trek or staying up late), I would sneak up and enjoy myself with cookies, cigarettes and Star Trek. The one evening they showed &#8220;Genesis&#8221; first &#8211; an episode that creeped me out right then and there. I thought it was amazing that a Star Trek episode could be filmed in that way. After that they showed an episode of Enterprise where T&#8217;Pol is exposed to a chemical that makes her feel stuff, and the crew of the enterprise go to a foreign ship to find out what the deal is. This totally showed how far Star Trek had fallen to me. Genesis is based on being creepy, suspenseful, not showing what&#8217;s going on. Being patient, having enough faith in your story to let it develop around the characters. In the Enterprise episode, where they go to a foreign alien ship mind you, not knowing what they will encounter, within 90 seconds of them entering the ship, they are engaged in lasergun battles, that last for most of the episode. Pure actiondribble, that made my heart bleed for the loss of a loved one. Here is hoping that J.J. Abrams does not go the route of the team behind Star Trek Enterprise &#8211; but since he is the creator of Lost and Alias as well as the director of Mission Impossible 3, I am trying so hard to keep my emotions in check.</p>
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		<title>By: deadpaul</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[deadpaul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;And if youÃ¢â‚¬â„¢re going to tell me that you loved Nemesis, then you might as well stop reading because weÃ¢â‚¬â„¢re worlds apart. I kid, of course.&quot;  Come on Jay, that&#039;s a sense of humor.  Reed, another good column.  I&#039;m not much of a Star Trek fan, but your love of it is infectious.  Have you ever considered doing one column in Klingon?, I kid, of course.  Live Long and Prosper.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And if youÃ¢â‚¬â„¢re going to tell me that you loved Nemesis, then you might as well stop reading because weÃ¢â‚¬â„¢re worlds apart. I kid, of course.&#8221;  Come on Jay, that&#8217;s a sense of humor.  Reed, another good column.  I&#8217;m not much of a Star Trek fan, but your love of it is infectious.  Have you ever considered doing one column in Klingon?, I kid, of course.  Live Long and Prosper.</p>
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