Film Junk Podcast Episode #694: Munich + Best of 2005 Revisited

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0:00 – Intro
23:15 – Film Junk Re-Review: Munich (w/ spoilers)
1:03:15 – Feature: Top 10 Movies of 2005
1:49:40 – Other Stuff We Watched: Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy, Solo: A Star Wars Story, Inquiring Nuns
1:57:45 – This Week on DVD and Blu-ray
1:59:45 – Outro

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  • Jonathan Larsson

    LOVE this idea!

  • Tommy

    I was gonna demand a Serenity review, but maybe there should be a special Gamejunk episode on it instead.

  • Sam

    I like this idea of revisiting top 10s.

    I was actually gonna suggest considering a Top 50 (or whatever of the decade) for episode 750. Thats kind of a milestone right? Plus it would come around first quarter of 2020, so not too long after the completion of the decade which would let Jay cram some secret titles to piss off Frank.

    Just an idea.

  • j-diggle

    Would have been good to do a double header of 2005’s Serenity and the new one.

  • Peter Harrison

    A brilliant episode, a fantastic idea! Nice revisiting 2005 but I can’t wait for 2006 next month – what a year! Congrats on a lovely innovation for the show.

  • Blake in Boston

    Don’t worry, guys. Red Dead’s controls start to feel great after the 280 hour mark. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fc0fd91974c0b49330ba5ce09517fe334bc792d5156858f7743d6e005f04384b.png

  • Essie

    I love this idea. Thank you all so much for finding new ways to entertain. 2005 was a great year.

    1. the new world (my favorite film of all time probably)
    2. instructions for light and sound machine
    3. phantom limb
    4. cache
    5. three times
    6. a history of violence
    7. towards mathilde
    8. oxhide
    9. battle in heaven
    10. one way boogie woogie 27 years later

    would love to read more listener lists!

  • Loren

    I haven’t listened yet..but like the concept already. Mixing it up is what you guys have always been good at. Will be interested to see if you try something different for the Oscars this year.

  • newtaurus

    When this type of episode comes up again would you guys consider posting your original Top 10 lists in the comment section for context (excluding Frank for the early years of course)? I assume you have them on record somewhere.

  • Sean

    I think we’ll go through them a little more explicitly as we progress. I don’t have a copy of my 2005 list that I can find although it may have been revealed on the podcast at the time. Anyone with a USB drive know if we did a year end countdown for that year?

    I did find this written combined list for 2005, although I’m not sure if Jay contributed to it or not:
    http://filmjunk.com/2005/12/23/space-junks-top-10-movies-of-2005/

  • j-diggle

    For 2006, can I suggest Borat s the re-review?

  • Jake

    I haven’t been able to verify by listening yet, but according to the episode guide the best of the year lists for 2005 were on episode 47 (December 18, 2005) of Space Junk. The main review was King Kong.

    http://filmjunk.wikia.com/wiki/2005

  • tyler mikol

    With Lists at the number one spot on my favorite things in the world list, this idea excites me beyond words. Filmjunk keeps getting better.

  • tyler mikol

    This is a good idea, I’ve never actually seen it properly.

  • Lori Cerny

    I have watched Memories of Murder five times. Hearing you guys talk about it, now I’ve slotted it for tonight’s entree. Kang-ho Song is awesome.

  • Sean

    My vote would be for The Fountain but we haven’t really had that discussion yet.

  • j-diggle

    The idea of having to watch the fountain again made me yawn. But would be an interesting chat too.

  • devolutionary

    I’m going to be honest and provide mine as I remember it. Not sure if I officially logged it anywhere online. I know my retro-active 2005 list would be far different now. No particular order.

    Munich
    Good Night and Good Luck
    Hard Candy
    A History Of Violence
    The Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada
    Thank You For Smoking
    Batman Begins
    Sin City
    Kiss Kiss Bang Bang
    The Proposition

    Movies like The New World, Tristam Shandy, The Squid and the Whale, Brick, or Broken Flowers would change that now. I distinctly remember Syriana going from #1 to dropping off my list fast.

  • devolutionary

    Talk about a movie that took repeated viewings for me to truly appreciate. Force fed by my best friend at the time.

  • Sam

    Mine would look something like this, in rough order and not having watched a ton of these since release:

    A History of Violence
    Batman Begins
    Broken Flowers
    The Squid and the Whale
    Hustle & Flow
    Kiss Kiss Bang Bang
    The Propsition
    Cache
    Wallace & Gromit: The Curse of the Were-Rabbit
    Three Burials of Melquiades

    Definitely not a very strong year to actually agree with Frank.

    “2005” titles that I think are actually 2006 that might have made my list:
    A Bittersweet Life
    Brick
    Election (Johnnie To)
    The Descent

  • Jameson

    It seems the Memories of a Murder debate also applies to Oldboy. Most sites list it as a 2003 release although when you search US release date it says March 25, 2005.

  • devolutionary

    Yeah Descent and Election were great at the time, although I much prefer other Neil Marshall and Johnnie To films now.. Along with Cache, didn’t see many of those until 2006. Only saw A Bittersweet Life years later.

  • Brian.M

    Damn right Batman Begins is in there!

  • Essie

    oh boy i have no clue what my list would have looked like in 05. probably the new world and…hmmm. yeah, no clue lol.

  • Samb

    Munich was a first-time watch for me last night after I saw the plan to retro-review. I enjoyed it a lot — looked great on film, and I particularly enjoyed Daniel Craig in a looser performance than I’m used to seeing.

    But ya’ll….the sex scene was BRUTAL. Spielberg’s queasiness about sex is already evident in the first scene between Bana and his wife (via the strategically placed sheet between them), which he solves in the second scene by removing her entirely. They are not in the frame together (until it’s over and you see her hands). Which he has to do, I suppose, in order to avoid depicting what her reasonable physical reaction might be to whatever is going on inside Bana’s head in the moment. Spielberg either couldn’t answer that question or wasn’t interested in it, but it’s beyond belief that she would be still, silent, and calm with Bana clearly having an episode on top of her. I guess Spielberg was going for a “Don’t Look Now” vibe with the intercutting, but whereas that film showed Sutherland and Christie processing their grief (together!) through sex, here I found it just unintentionally funny. If he was unearthing suppressed memories, that might be understandable, but these were events he wasn’t present for. Made no sense.

  • Nic

    You could also consider Miami Vice for 2006 which is highly underrated in my opinion. Or, even better, do a Michael Mann Premium in the near future!

  • B MP Rooney

    I’m taking credit for this idea. I wrote a junk mail in 2017 recommending a premium podcast that the gang revisits their 2007 best of lists; particularly because No Country and There Will Be Blood.

    Great show! Thank you, guys!

  • devolutionary

    Since I’m certain it will be requested, here’s the Junkers retro 2005 list:
    ^

    RETRO TOP 10 (2005):
    =================
    JAY CHEEL:
    10.Domino
    9. 49 Up
    8. Cache (Edit: The Squid and the Whale)
    7. Our Daily Bread
    6. A History Of Violence
    5. Munich
    4. The New World
    3. Hustle and Flow
    2. The Devil and Daniel Johnston
    1. Grizzly Man

    FRANK KNEZIC:
    10.The 40 Year Old Virgin
    9. Millions
    8. Capote
    7. Domino
    6. Jarhead
    5. Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
    4. Hustle and Flower
    3. The Squid and the Whale
    2. Munich
    1. Batman Begins

    SEAN DWYER:
    10.Sin City
    9. Millions
    8. High Tension
    7. Munich
    6. Hustle and Flow
    5. Broken Flowers
    4. The New World
    3. Memories of Murder
    2. Grizzly Man
    1. The Squid and the Whale

  • stevens1

    The release date thing is simple – no matter what year you watch it or reevaluate a list, the film can only be eligible for the year it received a theatrical release in your country. Sean was right to put it on his list. If Frank wanted to put Memories of Murder (an excellent film btw) on a 2003 list that would be wrong.

    If it didn’t get a theatrical release in your country, then you use the year it was released in its native country. Ignore festival dates!

  • Samb

    Some deep cuts, Essie! Several I haven’t heard of — makes this whole exercise worthwhile to find some hidden gems. Mine have all been mentioned already, but:

    1) Grizzly Man
    2) A History of Violence
    3) Memories of Murder
    4) The Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada
    5) Kiss Kiss Bang Bang
    6) Munich
    7) The Squid and The Whale
    8) The Proposition
    9) Capote
    10) Batman Begins

  • WebberJ

    Going to listen to it either later. The comments are intriguing.

  • Charles Palentine

    Here’s the deal – there’s a difference between creating a top 10 for 2018 in January 2019 and creating a top 10 for 2005 in January 2019.

    Creating a top 10 for 2018 should consist of the movies that were released that year for your viewing. For example, The Other Side of the Wind would be eligible for a 2018 list because that’s when it became available to watch. Just because you don’t have a ticket to TIFF to see Under the Skin but Jay does doesn’t exclude Jay from including it on a 2013 list or Sean and/or Frank, who saw it theatrically, from including it on a 2014 list.

    Revised top ten lists should follow a stricter release date. For example, Memories of Murder belongs on a 2003 list. The alternative is to do research to find out if a certain movie played at TIFF the year before its theatrical release, which in theory you could’ve seen, and restricting year eligibility to what was released in Canada or the United States seems pointless when looking back years later.

    If someone made a feature in 2010 and held a formal viewing to friends, the friends could include it on their 2010 list. If it got a theatrical release in 2013, it’d be eligible for the average person to include on their 2013 list. But when looking back, it should be included on a “revised” 2010 list. Keep it simple. Don’t worry about who was invited to that viewing, or which country released a movie in a particular year.

    The purpose of the exercise is to reevaluate movies in a particular year. You’re already including the context of what’s happened in subsequent years, e.g. sequels, rewatches, non-theatrical cuts, so what difference does it make when you initially saw it when doing a retro list? The simple baseline is when it was shown with the belief that it’s a finished product. Regardless if it changed in the interim. Hence the fun of a list years later.

    Just my opinion. Love the show. Despite it inspiring me to write such dribble.

  • CUJO

    Why would you force feed us an episode of the best 2005 movies when you’ve barely revisited most of the movies on the list?

  • Isildur_of_Numenor

    Although I agree it’s a good system, it’s not the simplest to follow. The simplest, and therefore the best in my opinion, is to choose a generally consistent and reliable source (like imdb) and let it decide for you. Done! Sure, the fact that imdb chooses the earliest date can be frustrating but it also makes sense because that’s the closest date from when the movie was made, so you get a better sense of the tools and inspirations that shaped the movie, from a historical point of view.

  • Why should you include a film on a 2003 list if it was released in 2005? That would imply that once the boys revise their 2013 lists both Sean and Frank have to include Under the Skin and bump it up from their respective 2014 lists just because it played TIFF the year before its wide release. If they didn’t see the film during TIFF in 2003 but during its wide release in 2005 than its elligible to be included in a 2005 list.

    Outside of that I do agree with CUJO that it hardly makes sense to revisit a year’s top ten list if you’re not fully immersing yourself in all those year’s releases, revisit them or seek out films that since then popped up on your radar but didn’t back then.

  • Beat_C

    very cool idea ????

  • Sean

    Also not a bad choice.

  • Sean

    Not sure how we could make that work logistically but we’re attempting to revisit at least some of them.

  • Kay Dizzle

    great episode. love the idea! I thought war of the worlds would come on on your guys revisted top 10. 2005 was def a bare bones year for great cinema

  • Sam

    Yeah, there’s no way to revisit everything you want without basically sacrificing either new 2019 releases or everything else in your “what we watched” for the entire year if this is being planned as a monthly thing.

    I’m fine with you guys going based on how your feelings have changed throughout the years either by past multiple viewings, or just going with your gunt feeling.

  • Beat_C

    oh, and this site might be helpful to browse the movies from a specific year (also includes foreign films): https://www.filmsite.org/greatestfilms-byyear.html
    – fantastic clip art included.

  • CUJO

    I guess.

  • Brian.M
  • Lior

    Hey Sean, I just thought you’d like to know, when listening to the podcast with Mixcloud, it does not allow me to rewind, saying “due to licencing issues in your country, it is not possible to seek backwards”. Yeah, I can download the MP3, but it’s much easier to rewind back and forth on Mixcloud since I don’t listen to the show in one go.

    Anyway, this is the first time i’m encountering this, and I find it a bit ridiculous. Maybe they are doing it for music, but why is it applying to podcasts as well?

    Anybody else having the same issue?

  • Gerry

    A couple of suggestions for Jay re alternatives to a main review he isn’t interested in (and releases for his niche documentary blu ray label) would be the UK Channel 4’s ‘Massacre At Ballymurphy’ and the awesome Alex Gibney’s ‘No Stone Unturned’. (Warning, spoilers ahead).

    They both relate to ‘the troubles’ in Northern Ireland, showing how an action and a seemingly chosen inaction, respectively, led to many more deaths in ‘the troubles’ than there would otherwise have been. (And ‘No Stone Unturned’ is completely fcuking mental, with it’s seeming soldier by day turning into a serial killer by night story).

    ‘Massacre’ shows how the intentions of seemingly very decent, intelligent soldiers (of the Royal Greenjacket regiment) with a sensitivity to the local situation can be undone by a senior soldier with a seeming empire mentality directing another regiment of ‘shock tactic’ soldiers.

    Maybe Sean would enjoy the recent John Malkovitch Poirot 3 parter ‘The ABC Murders’ (BBC Netflix) as his alternative viewing. I wasn’t that interested in it but gave it a shot because of Malkovitch and was hooked within a couple of minutes.

    The only misfire in it were too many repeated flashbacks, otherwise it was well above average.

    The only thing I can think of for Frank is a rewatch of Ruthless People, to see how it holds up.

  • Nobody

    I was actually wondering what their general thoughts were on Brokeback Mountain while listening. I was thinking Brick would be a Sean movie.

  • Sean

    Yeah I think we demonstrated it’s a pretty flawed process but the idea is that there have been some rewatches and new watches over the years as well that have helped reshape our lists.

    I do remember a lot of people liking Revenge of the Sith at the time but I wasn’t crazy about it. I did wholeheartedly love Ep. 1 and 2 initially though. :)

  • Sean

    Brick is a 2006 movie.

    I have not seen Brokeback in its entirety. It was on my list of stuff to try to watch last week but didn’t get to it.

  • WebberJ

    Can’t hardly remember my favorites back then either.

  • Lior

    This is a completely different topic, but it’s interesting to me how so many people liked/loved the prequels when they first came out, and then gradually the internet convinced us that we’re either wrong, or we should be ashamed of ourselves for liking it in the first place…