Film Junk Podcast Episode #690: Aquaman

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0:00 – Intro: The Junky Boys (Prank Calls)
21:35 – Review: Aquaman
1:06:35 – Other Stuff We Watched: Shoplifters, Bumblebee, Bird Box, Minding the Gap, The Rider, Mid90s, The Hateful 8, Annihilation, Black Mirror: Bandersnatch, The House That Jack Built, Holmes & Watson, Hellboy Trailer, Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse, A Simple Favor, BlacKKKlansman
2:06:25 – Junk Mail: Creed II Missing Baby
2:09:30 – This Week on DVD and Blu-ray
2:10:35 – Outro

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  • RattyJunior

    Just a few minutes in but is already a classic!

  • Oso Jugo

    I was fortunate enough to have a vision of the future Chan premium, and I drew a picture. Frank just adores His Monarchs Voice theory, Jay finally comes out the closet for anime, and Sean is on the lam.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/086cff7986f702ab3ed5fde5b9528de7aa51a34f667b6b8cf383946f34268425.jpg

  • Colin

    Next week is Best of 2018?

  • Sounds like The Junky Boys need to go after Dax’s neighbour.

  • Corey Pierce

    This weekend over Twitter I told Frank that Aquaman is the first time I’ve ever been mad at him for liking a movie.

    And now he’s not on Twitter.

    This is probably my fault. Sorry fam.

  • Jr

    Jay, from someone who’s been listening for 10+ years, you DID NOT have to review Aquaman for us. I’ll listen to it but I’m not going to see it. You shouldn’t have to either.

  • Frankie Knuckles

    Hey Corey, I didn’t see the angry twitter mention, so that had nothing to do with it my twitter exit. I only saw the letterboxd comment.

    Long live the Ocean Master.

  • Sloth

    You Gotta Review Vice!

  • schizopolis

    I think Aquaman is one of those movies that’s either “hate or great” and nothing in between because it goes for it in such an extreme way. By no means was it middle of the road or mediocre. Anyone that says that, I cannot take seriously. Though, almost every negative critique is legitimate, but because it’s so bananas for a comic book movie, it’s on a plain of its own. I’m still wondering why it worked on me. Definitely too long, though.

  • Indianamcclain

    Agreed

  • B MP Rooney

    (Only half way through episode) Such incredible stuff. Thank you for the show!!! And yes, agreed with the statement below: Do not watch Aquaman if you do not want to. If the headliner was Shoplifters I would have been equally as stoked, if not more so. To listen to Frankie Boy to be an unfiltered, honest viewer on such a film would be excellent.

    Always always always love everything and anything. Thank you!

  • bobsponge42

    Angrrry Frank is now foaming at the mouth! ????

  • Samb

    Well, this is awkward….

  • Deven Science

    I rated it a 3/5. It was dumb fun, but not elevated or great in any way.

  • sansho1 5++

  • devolutionary

    Frank actually made good on a promise or threat! Early pre New Year’s resolution come true? ????

  • Dirk Gently

    Is The Favourite not out in Canada yet?

  • The Gasman Lives!

  • Oso Jugo

    Why? I didn’t get Frank right?

  • Samb

    It’s a really good likeness…of Greg. Don’t feel bad, on the old site header pic I thought Reed was Jay and Jay was Sean….

  • Sean

    Yes sir.

  • Sean

    It is but not in wide release.

  • Nic

    Regarding the 2018 year end debate: I kind of agree with Frank that mainstream Hollywood had a pretty bad year both in terms of blockbusters (I did not like Aquaman) and “prestige pictures”. I also think that the Golden Globe Best Picture Nominees kind of prove that point.

    However, it is true that there are a lot of good to great smaller and foreign films that came out this year. Many of those were named by Jay already, I would add Long Day’s Journey Into Night, The Other Side Of The Wind and An Elephant Sitting Still, which are all in my top 5. In that way it is a tad ignorant to just flat out proclaim that 2018 was a terrible year simply based upon the current state of Hollywood while not seeking out some films that are lower profile (and I would even say that films like Burning, Minding The Gap or Shoplifters were all pretty widely discussed and recognized).

  • I had no specific desire to hear your thoughs on Aquaman, please watch what you want to watch. Or watch these things the week after they come out, or at home later!

    I’d listen to Jay review youtube cringe compilations.

  • Oso Jugo

    I know it’s Greg. I thought the HMV reference would have given it away. There is dirth of Frank reference photo material, so I’m forced to use Greg for Frank. Kind of like shooting a film day for night.

    Oh and in regards to aqua man, I say don’t bother with the like. More retro reviews would be amazing.

  • Jameson

    The hype for next week’s episode is huge! Can’t wait (spoiler: I side with Jay on 2018).

  • stevens1

    Every year in cinema is great – you just have to make the effort to find the films that come from all over the world.

    Surprised Sean and Jay haven’t heard of Kore-eda. Need to try out his films like I Wish, Nobody Knows and After Life to name a few. He’s often referred to a modern day Ozu.

  • newtaurus

    First off, and I hope others feel the same way, I appreciate everything you three guys do. Perhaps we as fans of the show should say that more often. You don’t have to do this at all, let alone once a week.

    That being said, and this is why I’m glad I listened to the whole podcast, it sounded like Jay was given an out and chose not to take it. So these comments about wanting to move on with your life and not having time to watch the film (but apparently having time to prank call everyone in you contacts list) don’t really hold water for this particular argument.

    A similar discussion was held in late March of last year, was it not? Last time it was written off as an April Fool’s prank, now I’m not so sure.

  • optimuspigg

    Nu Frank is back! He just wants to have fun at the cinema, can we fault him for that?

  • Can’t wait to hear Frank’s explanation for why this year has bad for movies. It’s actually one of the best in recent memory. My top 30 are damn good and top 40 are solid.

    I too am having a tough time cramming all the stuff I want to into a top ten.

    https://letterboxd.com/andrew_james/list/ranking-2018/

  • Sam

    Not sure if it would even be up your alley, but one movie I enjoyed that I’m not seeing on anybody’s list is Bodied. Not sure if it’s because it was released at festivals in late 2017 and people are just omitting it as 2018 release, or possibly I’m the only one that found some enjoyment out of it. But might worth checking out. Newest film by Joseph Kahn who did Detention and Torque, though I didn’t enjoy either of those two.

  • devolutionary

    It’s Frank. Do we need an explanation ;)? This has been an ongoing annual gag on the listeners. I mean if Aquaman is “pushing” for his Top 5, you can only imagine the plethora of quality he’s watching outside of the podcast or Premiums. If only we could push a Prescribing Frank of 2018 films on him.

  • devolutionary

    Did either you or Andrew get a chance to check out The Fugue? Very limited release but it’s the much less audacious but equally divisive followup to Smoczynska’s The Lure (2015). This one is a lot more dour, solitary, and atmospheric, though I sorta wish it was a musical too.

  • newtaurus

    Am I missing something here? I know Frank has his bulls*** narratives and is beholden to his star ratings but to me “worst year” is a subjective thing. And on top of that it seems really arrogant for someone to say “Well if you just watched the list of films that I approve of this ‘worst year’ attitude wouldn’t be an issue.” What the f***?

    And I can’t believe that this is the news coming out of this episode. Clearly no one give a damn but to me this was a very difficult installment to get through.

  • devolutionary

    How is that arrogant? There could easily be a concensus from others. “Prescribing Frank” has never been a monopoly. He’s not even bothering to watch some of these other films outside the podcast and was dismissive of 2018. This happened to a lesser extent the last 2 years as well. It’s unclear where his Best Of reference lists are coming from so who knows what he validates. They even argued at the end and came to the resolution that its subjective, which Frank was clearly debating Jay on.

  • Sam

    I have not checked that. May have to look into that.

    Another random movie I would put among some of my favorites for this year, that’s absent on Andrew’s letterboxd list is Thunder Road. The lead actor’s performance I could find Frank actually finding interesting. Very unique blend of comedy with some genuine dramatic moments.

  • newtaurus

    Yeah, it took Dax to play peacekeeper to get that one out, then Jay went right to some imaginary sympathy card that Frank was never playing. Which is ironic because Jay started the review acting like a martyr for spending time watching a movie no one told him to watch.

    I say it’s arrogant because Jay just rattled off all the movies HE liked this year. That’s some consensus. And yeah, let’s all pretend that if Frank came out of one of those movies all of you have been s******* on 6/5ing it Jay would’ve dropped everything to go see it.

    I’m sorry, I don’t mean to be aggressive, it’s just that I’ve listened to hundreds of Film Junk episodes in a short span of time and there appears to be a double standard. Frank’s nonsense is constantly called to the carpet and Jay just acts like a jerk/cries until he gets the answers/situation he wants and no one bats an eyelash. And I feel awful saying that because Jay Cheel is the reason I started listening to FJ.

  • Deven Science

    I kind of agree with Frank, actually. I made an effort to see more movies in theater than I ever have before, one per week for the whole year. Many were the big release, but there was a lot of smaller and foreign films in there, as well. I only rated one movie 5 stars. That’s unheard of for me.

  • tyler mikol

    I can’t wait at all for next weeks episode. I do feel less enthused about 2018 films but i admit i still have some exploring to do. It’s obvious that Frank would rather see huge generic studio films made for the mouth breathers rather than delving into and exploring interesting smaller stuff. When Sean and Jay whip out films out for their top 10 that franky hasn’t heard of, it’s his fault, but we know he’s going to go crazy and yell at them for not logging things on Letterboxd to help keep him in the loop. It’s gonna be great to see the KOC fall apart and get angry! I love him but he needs to get worked!

  • Sam

    I agree with Frank to a certain extent, but it’s more in that I haven’t seen many films this year that I’m 100% certain would like top 3 material. But that said, I have a pretty solid Top 25 right now that’ll only get stronger as I pad it out with more movies in the next week or so. To Frank’s credit, yeah, I don’t have a Phantom Thread or Killing of a Sacred Deer level love for a movie this year, but that doesn’t mean there hasn’t been a ton of film worth seeing

  • Beat_C

    great episode (despite dax’ non-reviews), thanks! i’m hugely surprised none of you have seen any other movies by hirokazu koreeda. he has such a rich and interesting filmography. i would recommend 1. “nobody knows” 2. “after life” 3. “i wish”. as proven by several movies of his, including “shoplifters”, koreeda is probably the greatest director with children i can think of.

  • I don’t think it’s that Frank rather watches mouth breather movies. His reaction to movies on Jay’s list he’s never heard about and his own satisfaction of such movies once he actually sought them out shows he does enjoy films like The Killing of a Sacred Deer. He’s just a bear that needs some poking and probably would’ve liked Shoplifters just as much as Aquaman or even better. His “prescribing Frank” watches proof this as well.

    The topic is rather old but I still don’t understand why Jay goes to watch these blockbuster movies he clearly has no interest in. For these comic book movies the podcast usually brings in Dax and/or Greg anyway so you’d still have 3 people talk about the film and then have Jay maybe do a 10-15 minute review of Shoplifters in “What We Watched” or do a smaller additional 20 minute piece on The Favourite with Sean. Outside of the parking lot stress, hassle with reserved seating and the $15+ to spend for the movie ticket having to do all of this for something you don’t even want to see seems absurd.

    I can’t speak for all of the listeners but I for one don’t come here to find out if Aquaman is a good movie or what the lads thought about it. This is more a less a hangout where I listen to the fellas, regardless of what they’ve seen. That’s why even non-review episodes like the Manifesto ones are entertaining.

    That being said, I for one would have no problem with Jay – or any other member – skipping out an episode when it is for something they couldn’t care less about.

  • Samb

    Still Walking is good, too.

  • Thanks for the heads up. Love me some Torque, so I’ll check into this for sure!

  • Just because you only have one movie that you absolutely adore this year, doesn’t automatically make it a “terrible year” for movies.

    If you have a starting lineup of Dennis Rodman, Scottie Pippen, Steve Kerr, Ron Harper and Tony Kukoc, that doesn’t make a bad basketball team because Michael Jordan isn’t there. Especially with BJ Armstrong, Horace Grant and Luc Longley on the bench.

    If you go to the mall and only see whatever the “big” movie is that week, yeah it’s probably not a great year for film. If you’re not going to even bother looking in the cracks for movies (VOD was incredible this year), that’s fine; but then don’t blanket the year with it was “horrible.” It wasn’t horrible for most cinephiles. It was horrible for you because you didn’t really put forth any effort.

  • It isn’t about watching “these movies that I love.” It’s about getting out there and watching movies at all. Like, go check others’ lists; look at critics throughout the year and check Reddit (or whatever) for recommendations. If you’re not even going to bother with anything that isn’t at the mall, then you’re objectively wrong about stating it’s a “horrible year” for cinema. It’s just plain ignorance.

    If you don’t even try 90% of the food at the buffet, you can’t tell me the buffet tastes bad. That’s on you for not even putting forth any effort.

    When Aquaman is pushing for your top five of the year, you’re doing something really really wrong in your movie going.

  • Ugh. My blind spots this year are out of control. There are so many movies I want to see that could still hit my top ten (Suspiria, Burning, Wildlife, Shoplifters, Tigers are not Afraid, Vice, The Rider, Vox Lux, If Beale Streeet Could Talk, Anna and the Apocalypse, Overlord, etc. etc.).

    I didn’t really care for The Lure (now on Criterion), but I did like what it was going for so I will definitely check out this director’s next effort. Thanks for letting me know about it!

  • tyler mikol

    I agree with some thoughts of yours. However Frank definitely would rather of seen the trilogy of crap he did on New Years rather than see 3 indie films or foreign films. He likes those films sometimes but never has the desire to seek them out. Only watches when he’s forced to. He definitely is anti older movies that he doesn’t have nostalgiaria for.

    I definitely don’t ever care what they really review. I do love these dudes. They are my homies from Canada! I just wanna hang with them and hear them talk about anything.

    Franks thing the last few years is to say that the year they are reviewing was trash. His way to prove it is to watch bumblebee instead of BURNING.

  • newtaurus

    I must’ve missed your review of Aquaman, clearly you’ve seen it to make such a…

    Waitasec, not the point. I don’t care about any of Frank’s stupid-ass narratives. I know when he says things its’s usually overly dramatic hyperbole. That wasn’t my point. At all. And clearly no one gives a s*** about my point so there’s no need in arguing it anymore.

  • devolutionary

    Like him or not (I’m the former), Greg was usually the one who kept Jay honest and would happily call him out. Personally, I think Jay was far more audacious in the early years of FJ and has toned it down.