Film Junk Podcast Episode #631: Blade Runner 2049

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0:00 – Intro
17:25 – Review: Blade Runner 2049
54:55 – Spoiler Discussion: Blade Runner 2049
1:59:45 – Headlines: Star Wars: The Last Jedi Trailer, Pacific Rim: Uprising Trailer
2:29:10 – Other Stuff We Watched: Star Trek: Discovery, The Orville, Astro Zombies, Drive-In Massacre, Beyond the Darkness, Long Shot, SpaceCamp, The Milky Way, Chinatown
3:06:35 – Junk Mail: Best World-Building Movies, Reed’s Jake Gyllenhaal Prediction, Favourite Korean Movies, Turning Off Motion Smoothing on Other People’s TVs
3:30:50 – This Week on DVD and Blu-ray
3:32:10 – Outro

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  • Reed Farrington

    Thx, Jake! Even Christ had his haters. (Yes, I’m comparing myself to Christ. Heresy!)

  • Reed Farrington

    If I ever write a sci-fi movie with a kick-ass female lead, her name will be Tori Stellar.

  • Beat_C

    3.5 hours? including reed? heaven!

  • Tommy

    Leto’s had to have tried inseminating various forms of Replicants about a thousand times without success. I suppose the world could be fantastical enough for the secret to be a magic spark, but I think it’s just special manufacturing that he doesn’t have access to. He’d probably be successful if he had the girl to reverse engineer (though we don’t really have any idea what the biology of the offspring even is on a human-Replicant scale.)

  • Tommy

    When was the last time you listened to the narration?

    “Sushi… That’s what my ex-wife used to call me… cold fish!” *rimshot*

    “In the old world, cops used to have a name for people like Replicants… Ni**ers.” *rimshot*

  • Tommy

    Reed, I appreciate the all the ‘she.’ Very progressive!

  • Indianamcclain

    Was just about to say the same thing. It’s funny because Robin Wright’s character asks if it’s a birth date, or a death date and the answer is both.

  • Indianamcclain

    First I’ve heard of this. I really liked The Wailing.

  • ReelJunkie

    No Harvey Weinstein talk?

    Also, you guys should have RedLetterMedia on the show at some point… if it can be arranged that is.

  • Tommy

    I dunno about RLM. Mostly I’m not a fan, but while Scottie Young and Matt Gourley came in pretty naturally from enjoying the show themselves, I don’t think the groups would match up well, but who knows

  • Maik

    I´m sure Jay could rent you his Criterion DVD of Mishima´s “Patriotism” (and of course his Criterions by Godard or the Bunuels you haven´t seen yet).
    Lots of Terayama´s films have been uploaded on Youtube.
    Apart from that you propbably can rent Mishima´s (or even Terayama´s) novels from the library.

  • pcch7

    haha nice. It’s not that hard though but fair enough. I love that he’s a gamer

  • pcch7

    I just found out that Villeneuve wanted David Bowie for Jared Leto’s character and then he passed as they were gonna approach him. How awesome would that have been

  • Reed Farrington

    Pre-show, his name came up, and I asked if we were going to talk about him, and Jay said, “No.” I assumed Jay had a bad experience with him. :-)

  • Lior

    I can’t beleive Reed dislikes the JJ Abrams Star Trek movies but likes Star Trek Discovery. They are basically the same thing. Based on the first four episodes, STD (!) is an action-adventure show with little to no Trekkian philosophy or values. Only major difference between it and the movies is that it’s darker in tone. I don’t like the characters. They are not Starfleet. Also, it’s inclusion in the prime timeline doesn’t make a lick of sense, especially as a prequel. Honestly I fully expected Reed to trash the show. Reed, you are anything if not unexpected (I hope this is grammarically correct).

  • Jay Cheel

    I didn’t say no. I didn’t say anything.

  • Kevin Cardoza

    Cut the man some slack. I’m half his age and my hand-eye coordination is already terrible.

  • Reed Farrington

    Lior, you raise some interesting points of discussion that I could rationalize away. As I mentioned on the podcast, I am not a hardcore canon believer, but if I needed an explanation as to why the characters don’t behave “like Starfleet,” humanity hasn’t reached the level of the Next Generation, yet. In the Original Series, we saw a crew member be racist against Spock because he had pointed ears like the Romulans. Capt. Georgiou in Discovery is an exemplary Starfleet officer.

    As for episodic TV, it’s difficult to come up with original single episode plots. I am looking forward to the anthology show Philip K. Dick’s Electric Dreams.

  • Reed Farrington

    Okay, then maybe it was Sean who had a bad experience with him.

  • pcch7

    Apparently it’s quite good.

  • Sean

    I believe I suggested it as a topic and also shut it down knowing that it would be a long show and we would have no real insight to offer. But I seem to remember you mentioning that such a conversation would probably “get you into trouble” anyway.

  • Lior

    Reed, that is a good point about the original series. Still, on that episode it was one crew member, while in Discovery there is something off about the whole crew. By “crew” I mean Burnham, Burnham’s roomate, Saru and the sciene officer, and of course the captain. Nobody else on the crew has been fleshed out. Apparently there is a bridge crew but we only see their faces for half a second spouting some technobabble (could be technobabble is the most Trekkian thing about the show, they sure pour it thick).

    I like anthology shows but they are not the same as episodic TV shows which follows the same characters. But we cannot back to that format (unless it’s The Orville, which had a horrible pilot episode). DS9 and Enterprise were already becoming half-serialized themselves, so…

  • max

    maybe next week? That leaked audio is super creepy and I think should be analyzed by Lawyer Frank.

  • Tommy

    Sitting on the story for a week will let the boys tell the full story and win a Pulitzer for journalism.

  • SLOTH

    will you be reviewing Noah Baumbach’s The Meyerowitz Stories?

  • Sean

    Definitely would like to. I forgot that comes out on Netflix this weekend.

  • schizopolis

    of course…since lawyer frank analyzed Trump’s sexual predatory behavior soo elaborately on the show ;)

  • Dude

    Spoiler: If gosling is the who found the tree the skeleton and the date, how is that memory relevant to any of the other replicants in the rebellion and how did they ever come to believe themselves that they were the ones born?

    Why would the the corporation send Rachael to love Deckard if they want to kill the child? I don’t understand the 2049 corporation’s motivation for being concerned with finding the child. Why would the founder (Leto) who seems to be a replicant want to squash a revolution that gives androids immancipation, or are they concerned with staying in power? If they want to remain in power why would they even set up android birth in the first place?

    Maybe I missed a lot in the film, but these “holes” really brought the movie down for me. I’d be okay with them (like the ambiguity of the first blade runner) if they didn’t spend so much time in the film on exposition of other plot points (ex. the AI girlfriend explaining the visual story telling, repeating voiceovers from the first scene to drive home themes). Someone straighten me out

  • Dude

    Also interesting – the intro scene with the replicant on the farm with the soup was the original story board intro into the original BR movie but for whatever reason it didn’t make it onto film

  • Beat_C

    well, everything would be better than leto.

  • This is all part of my anti-JayMonsterBurpTerrorism campaign (quite frankly I’ve had it up to here with getting unexpectedly aroused when I’m trying to get work done). Next I’ll be tweeting Gerry the link to Dangerous Days (Blade Runner making of) where it shows Deckard’s VOs were IN THE SCRIPT.

  • P.I.M.P

  • It definitely could be someone’s mum. I’ve been hearing stuff about Gerry hittin’ up peoples’ mums at the mall. I’m talkin’ inside info ;)

  • Kevin Cardoza

    Mild Spoilers for “Long Shot”: I had two big problems with this doc. First, the whole thing with the footage being caught by the television show might make for an interesting story, but it ends up not being the thing that exonerates him at all so it ends up being just that – a cute coincidence, not something that saved him at all. Secondly, the movie hints at the end that his entire interrogation was based on made-up evidence. Considering how the topic of false confessions is pretty huge right now, it was weird how the director presented it as a surprise twist worth only a few seconds of screen time.

  • pcch7

    Dangerous Days should be mandatory viewing tbh. Almost as good as Blade Runner itself

  • Sean

    Okay I’ll try to answer some of these questions but I am not 100% clear on all of them either.

    Jared Leto wanted to understand how to make replicants reproduce because he wanted to increase production since he wasn’t able to keep up with demand. I don’t remember if he was also trying to stop the replicant freedom movement or not but I assume he would not want a replicant revolution because his whole business is based on being able to make replicants that are easier to control than the previous models.

    The Tyrell Corporation (first movie) is not the same as the Wallace Corporation (second movie). Wallace did not orchestrate the replicant birth, it is hinted that Tyrell did. His motivation is not really made clear.

    As for the relevance of the memory to other replicants, I’m not sure if any other replicants have that specific memory other than Gosling and Deckard’s daughter. I think (?) members of the freedom movement already have knowledge of this secret birth and they are trying to protect it. Gosling is the one who is trying to uncover the truth, initially because it is his job and later for personal reasons. It is possible that there have been other replicant births since, but I don’t think this is ever made clear.

  • ReelJunkie

    I think their style of humor and taste in films would fit pretty well with Film Junk. But that’s just me.

  • ReelJunkie

    I don’t think there’s no escaping this topic next week. Over the last week it has grown by leaps and bounds. This needs an hour long analysis and breakdown!

  • ReelJunkie

    It must also be trying times for Studio Exec Frank.. given that someone from his profession is under such mass scrutiny.

    I don’t think there’s any escaping this topic next week. Over the last week it has grown by leaps and bounds. This needs an hour long analysis and breakdown!

  • Craig

    I’ve only seen a couple of his films, but The Exterminating Angel is great. Aronofsky has said in interviews that it was a big inspiration for mother! if that gets people interested.

  • Deven Science

    “Reed answers a question about how he feels about something with his actual feelings and not a quotation from a critic.”

    Haha. I’ve noticed this.

  • Deven Science

    I think it’s because she recognized her own memory.

  • Samb

    This is the correct explanation, I believe. If the best memories she creates are those that are real, and this is an example of a best memory, then this must have happened to her.

  • Samb

    When the resistance leader consoles K for thinking he was special, the implication is that he’s not. But couldn’t he be the one male copy of Deckard’s daughter as was alluded to earlier, and as such be the sole recipient of the horse memory? That would still make him semi-special….

  • schizopolis

    Reed actually has good ideas sometimes, but it is soo frustrating because he can’t express them properly. Re: Owner & his dog analogy. I knew exactly what he was talking about. The anime film, Ghost in the Shell: Innocence is exactly about that. The theme of man trying to be gods by creating artificial life in their own image and likeness and trying to control it versus a man’s simple relationship with his dog. Meaning, the latter relationship is seemingly more ethical and genuine. Don’t be a god/slave owner. Be a humane pet owner.

  • Reed Farrington

    I agree that I can’t express my thoughts properly, but I’m not sure your thoughts are clarifying the point I was trying to make. Jay has a problem remembering what he says even right after he says it. I have a problem reiterating what someone says. I can’t remember why I brought up the issue of dog ownership, but I think it had something to do with a dog being able to provide all the things Jay mentioned that Joi provided, so why do we cry when our dog dies, but neither the audience nor K get upset when Joi dies?

  • Tommy

    Reed, we’re here for your disconnected thoughts! What you should try to drop is all the mentions about what other critics think. We care about what you think.

  • schizopolis

    It’s hard to interpret K’s reaction to Joi’s death because of his lack of emotion throughout the film, except the one moment when he realizes he’s “the one”. I listened to some other podcasts and many said that Joi’s death affected them emotionally. I think our reaction is supposed to be split because we could just remind ourselves that she’s neither a replicant, a human nor an organic entity. Even characters in the film say they don’t consider emotions for an A.I. real. Yet, I still felt sad when she died.

  • Reed Farrington

    I have a hard time relating what I see to previous films and current events, which is what the good film critics do. I need to read what others think in order to formulate an idea of how good a film really is. I take film criticism seriously even though film criticism is basically opinion.