Film Junk Podcast Episode #621: Dunkirk and Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets

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0:00 – Intro
4:20 – Review: Dunkirk
50:30 – Review: Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets
1:13:55 – Headlines: Ready Player One Trailer, The Shape of Water Trailer, 9/11 Trailer
1:36:40 – Other Stuff We Watched: The Beguiled (2017), The Fifth Element, Heavy Metal, Last Chance U: Season 2
1:50:20 – Junk Mail: Nolan’s Next Film + Pfister vs. Van Hoytema, Movies We’ve Seen in Special Formats + Ones We Regret Not Seeing, Sexist Dunkirk Review, War for the Planet of the Apes Evolution Question, Double Parm Explained
2:08:15 – This Week on DVD and Blu-ray
2:10:20 – Outro
2:14:30 – Spoiler Discussion: Dunkirk

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  • pcch7

    Nice, I kinda forgot it’s monday today. This will be good

  • LordAwesome

    When did Jay become such a pussy? He can’t even stand up to a teenage girl!

  • Jr

    I hate it when people can’t figure out how to go to the theater or even worse, don’t care about other people’s experience. Get there on time, turn your phone off, shut up and enjoy the movie. I don’t want to see the death of cinema though, I like going to the movies. People just need to get their shit together.

  • bobsponge42

    Cinema is dead. Long live the living room.

  • JC

    Wow early this week. I saw Dunkirk at the weekend so it’ll be nice to listen to an episode I’m up to date with. The audience was pretty thin tbh but perfectly behaved.

  • Jr

    TRIGGER WARNING

  • Isildur_of_Numenor

    On the changing aspect ratio and the reasoning behind it, Nolan has said in an interview that the IMAX camera makes too much noise, so that’s one of the reasons why they shot the quieter, interior stuff with a different camera, because he likes to capture the dialogue on set instead of doing ADR later.

  • Jameson

    Are there any other potential 6/5s this year? I feel like Hilary Clinton the day after the election.

  • Sean

    Ah okay, that makes sense. Explains why the dialogue in the boat and on the dock were all in non-IMAX format.

  • Colin

    9/11, 6/5

  • Sean

    Blade Runner bud… in Villeneuve we trust!

  • Matt Thephotoman

    Ooh, haven’t listened yet but just got in from seeing Dunkirk. Loved it!! I don’t see movies at the cinema very often anymore due to the fact people seem to no longer have any social awareness and act like twats. But tonight, cinema heaven! there was only us and 4 other people and they sat down on time and didn’t speak, so that was nice. Anyway I can’t remember seeing another film where I actually felt like I needed a little walk after to gather myself, oh and that ticking score, sweet mercy it’s tense perfection.

  • Jameson

    After the Arrival review, you’re the only one I’d put money on to give BR a 6/5.

  • J.F.

    yeah.. I thought the same thing..
    Jay used to deal with annoying moviegoers by kicking the back of their seats or by famously yelling at them in blind rage.
    I miss Jay´s balls, I really do…

  • Adam

    THE FORCEFEED AWAKENS

  • Matt Thephotoman

    Have listened now. Top show as always guys. I may be wrong but there’s a piece of music beautifully built in to the score at one point that is perhaps more familiar to uk audiences than elsewhere? I only say this as that part of the movie I thought was pretty damn emotional, so may be knowing that piece of music (it’s very British) made the difference?. Anyway, keep up the good work, always much appreciated.

  • Colin

    Hey Frankie… “shit porn” is commonly known as scat. HTH

  • chancer

    Spielberg has said that all of the references to his movies that are in the books will not be in the movie. He said something like it would be too self-referential. So it kind of makes less sense that he decided to do it. But I have faith in The Beard.

  • Indianamcclain

    Exactly, and he also shot the non IMAX footage in 70 mm so that there wouldn’t be a huge drop in quality.

  • Indianamcclain

    Thankfully people were respectful at my Dunkirk screening. But I did have the same problem of people walking in late. Since there aren’t that many trailers in front of the IMAX shows theatres shouldn’t let people in late.

  • user-287473788

    Valerian is a future cult film. It will have staunch defenders in about 10 years.

    I recommend checking it out in theaters on the biggest screen possible and then never watching it again.

  • Chris

    Really? 2 and a half hours? After last week’s meager outing I really expected we would be getting a normal length episode this week. People specifically addressed this issue in the comments (several times) but I guess Film Junk does not need to pay attention to us. That’s nice. Don’t know why I should be shilling out my money for premiums each month if these guys clearly don’t care about putting in the time.

  • Jay Cheel

    GENERAL REMINDER: If a singular author intends on leaving multiple comments under different user names, be sure to use an IP address blocker in order to achieve the desired effect. Cheers!

  • Sam

    Is this a serious comment? Since when is 2 hours not putting in time?

    Shorter than a normal episode for them? Yeah, maybe, but why force conversation just to extend length?

    There’s tons of shittier podcasts that beg for money who’s regular shows are an hour length to begin with. There’s one show I listen to, but don’t pay, but that pre-records tons of episodes months in advance that are arbitrarily one-hour long tops, that is lazy.

    Hell, David Chen from SlashFilm started a kickstarter to fund the costs and “trouble” having to watch and talk about a new Twin Peaks season.

    Film Junk is one of the few podcasts I listen to that is incredibly consistent with their episodes weekly, keeping it long and keeping the quality high.

    Just seems like a very dickish comment after getting a 2 and 30 minute episode.

  • Deven Science

    My unsolicited opinion on Velarian.

    So, look, the movie was enjoyable, thanks to all of the little spectacle details. But, in the end, it was not great, mainly do to the two leads. Their banter was badly written, their chemistry was non-existent, and their acting in general was not good. Dane Dehaan was miscast, affected a strange deep voice, and hasn’t really been good since Chronicle. Cara Delevingne is bland, doesn’t emote well, and both seem way too young for their positions as well respected agents.

    Speaking of that, if I may rant a bit, he was a Major, she a Sergeant. Would they have been paired together with those ranks? Maybe, but it seemed a bit odd. Plus, his constant sexual harassment was even less appropriate since he outranks her, being an officer while she is only an enlisted soldier. Plus, and this is big, he’s an officer! A relationship with a subordinate within his chain of command is not only inappropriate, but against the Uniform Code of Military Justice, subject to loss of rank, fines, and possible imprisonment and/or discharge. It may be 400 years in the future, but the military doesn’t change that fast. His pretty ass would be booted out fast.

    You know… plus the movie would have been better if they had just kept it professional.

  • user-287473788

    I assumed it was an ironic parody of a post that would be made by an overly entitled listener. My brain did not want to process the possibility that it was actually a serious post.

  • My preference is that every episode be 4 hours long. What I’m not going to do is come here and say “Only 150 minutes? I guess you hate your fans!”

  • EzekielFX

    I travel for a living throughout US and Canada. I saw Dunkirk at the SilverCity Imax Theater in Vancouver. This is the first movie I have seen in Canada. I have never seen so many people arrive after the movie started, and on top of that leave in the middle of it to eat/bathroom/whatever. It was insane. Crazy first impression of theater goers in Canada.

  • So listen to it twice.

  • waxwrath

    So when Tom Hardy’s pilot friend goes into the drink the first time doesn’t he clearly get out of the cockpit and walk to the front of his Spitfire while the Moonstone goes to pick him up? But then when we actually see the Moonstone arrive they have to break open the cockpit with a harpoon? Is this commentary on different perceptions of different characters at their stage in battle/valor/British stiff upper-lip sentimentalities? This was the only narrative deviation where I noticed that. Am i fucking crazy or just missing something? Were their any other scenes like this that I just spaced on? Obviously need a second watch.

  • pcch7

    No one is forcing you to shill out a dollar a month for the premiums are they? They’ve been putting in the time to give us free content weekly for a decade.

  • Matt the Kiwi

    Just got back from seeing Dunkirk at IMAX and while I thoroughly enjoyed it I totally agree your sentiments (and yes, there were a tonne of pricks that came in late but nobody taking photo’s of the screen thankfully). It was nearly clinical to a fault. I was impressed and full of admiration for what they achieved in terms of realism but what I wasn’t, was moved…and I really expected to me. I think the trailer from all those months ago got me more chocked up.

  • kent88

    Did anyone else get the feeling they were pretending not to know this?

    I mean, Jay watches all kinds of weird shit (no pun intended) on the internet and he doesn’t even know it’s called scat porn?

  • Tommy

    Some fuel for the next pod: Official Letterboxd list of 10 highest rated films of the first half of 2017. #1, Baby Driver!
    https://letterboxd.com/crew/list/top-10-highest-rated-for-first-half-of-2017/

  • pcch7

    I had no idea either tbh

  • Justin

    When the other pilot goes down he first sticks his arm out through the cockpit when trying to open it. Hardy takes this as a signal of him being waving he’s okay even-though he is really trapped.

  • OsoAmorito

    Begun this clone war has.

  • kyri
  • LordAwesome

    DUNKIRK has the greatest evacuation scenes since Jay’s bowel disease stories.

  • devolutionary

    It’s funny you mention that because that’s exactly what I did on my last road trip (June 20th – It Comes At Night episode). 7 hours went by oh so quickly and I was able to catch a few things missed on first listen.

  • Sam

    If I run of podcasts to listen to at work, I typically do just maybe re-listen to the most recent one, or go back and re-listen to a premium. JC 2, Indiana Jones and Dead Trilogy get some pretty heavy rotation.

  • Jr

    Entitlement is a hell of a drug.

  • Jr

    Oh snap, somebody just gots served! You gotta hook us up with the deets dawg!

  • Jake

    I regularly listen to FJ episodes multiple times. There are episodes I’ve listened to over 50 times easy.

  • Kevin Cardoza

    I never thought I would agree with Jay on this, but I’m also losing faith in movie theatres. People are just complete dicks nowadays, and I’ve recently had to put up with a growing number of people showing up long after the movie started, chatting with each other, and even had two instances of someone answering their damn phone. I had to stare down a woman who sat next to me and started filing her nails, I shit you not. For a while going to the VIP Cinemas rectified this situation as few people want to pay that price unless they are genuinely interested in what’s happening on screen, but they have been invading that spot too.
    The movie theatre is just seen as “something to do because I’m bored” to a seemingly growing number of people, so they don’t actually care about what’s on screen. As a result, I’m finding that confronting them ends up just making the situation worse nowadays, and the staff do nothing about it. The fact that a growing number of ads at Cineplex are basically variations of “please don’t be a jerk during the movie” is pretty sad.
    This is combined with a lot of chain multiplexes not keeping the quality of equipment up, so before I even see a movie, I need to make sure it’s not in the 3-D theatre with really dim projection, or the one with a blown out speaker, or the one with a mark on the screen. The money I used to spend monthly on going to the theatres vs updating my equipment at home has been drastically reversing over the last few years.

  • Larry Morgan

    Dunkirk thoughts:

    1) Nolan really struggles with the human element of his movies. They’re just plants to him in service of a larger, beautiful spectacle. You always feel at arms length from his characters.
    2) Mark Rylance was so damn bad. So wooden I had to pull splinters from my eyes. The movie stopped dead for me every time they went to his boat.
    3) Things I thought I’d never say : Harry Styles the best part of a Christopher Nolan movie
    4) I know the camera is loud, but shoot the whole thing in 70mm or IMAX. Just DO IT.
    5) Nolan Time not doing it for me here, and it almost does a disservice to CMs character because it sets up this interesting arc that it then doesn’t really do anything with.
    6) If I have to hear the word “Home” or “George” ONE MORE TIME

  • Craig

    Be bop ba bodda bope
    Bop ba bodda
    I’m the Scatman!

  • Len F.

    Sadly, I can here to post the same thing…

  • SLOTH

    Will you be reviewing A Ghost Story next week?

  • I’m with you Frank. The way the timeline is presented is necessary for this particular story; or at least makes the story much more engaging. If the story was told in a linear fashion, the characterization that is there might not make much sense or at best feel less involving or immediate.

    Also, as we talked about on The Cinecast this week, the non-linear storytelling in this movie, isn’t just for a gimmick or a more interesting way to tell the story, it’s also there to make the audience understand distance and speed – that’s a huge part of this particular story. For the planes, they’re further out but going speedy, the boats are even further away, but moving slowly while on the beach life is practically at stand still. Showing things “out of order” is important for this particular story to be told this way. I’m surprised Sean and Jay can’t see this.