Film Junk Podcast Episode #614: Wonder Woman


0:00 – Intro
5:20 – Review: Wonder Woman
45:22 – Headlines: Murder on the Orient Express Trailer, Studios Blame Failure of Pirates 5 and Baywatch on Rotten Tomatoes
1:05:55 – Other Stuff We Watched: Man of Steel, The Keepers, 78/52, The Leftovers, Wonder Woman (1975), Logan (SPOILER WARNING), Miss Peregrine’s Home for Peculiar Children, Baywatch, Streets of Fire, Patriot’s Day, Psycho Cop Returns
1:54:05 – Junk Mail: De-Aging Effects, Farming Movies + Movies Released in Two Parts, Universal Monsters Dark Universe, Alien: Covenant Score, Avoiding Trailers and Going in Blind, Ranking the Alien Movies + Best Tom Cruise Performances, Splitting the Cost of UHD Purchases with Family Members
2:31:32 – This Week on DVD and Blu-ray
2:34:47 – Outro
2:39:30 – Spoiler Discussion: Wonder Woman

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  • Lori Cerny

    Hmm, I’m still iffy on the theme. Someone needs to sway me – either way.

  • milan

    Wonder Woman 100% fresh on FilmJunk! Rotten tomatoes are shit…


    Greg pushing Frank’s buttons! GOLD!

  • Drewcore

    I don’t disagree with Uncle Frank on much, but he’s way off on the Leftovers season 2 credits song. It was jarring the first time I heard it but the lyrics are almost too apropos and fit the show perfectly, all wrapped in an ironically upbeat and catchy tune. It’s perfect.

  • devolutionary

    “Stick to your guns…”
    “…I don’t watch them so they can make money; I watch ‘em cause I like good movies. I don’t care who else likes them, I don’t give a fuck.”
    Studio Exec Frank would not approve. Is Nu-Frank officially over?

  • Carlos

    When Jay starts riffing on the ‘rotoscoped cartoon’ look of Wonder Woman’s lasso, I can’t help but close my eyes and say to myself : “The king is back, baby”.

  • LordAwesome

    Reed really should have been on this episode to offer the female perspective on WW.

  • bobsponge42

    Sounds like Wonder Woman brought old Frank back. Original Frank, welcome back.

  • kent88

    It is true that my boi Hans “Bubby” Zimmer don’t always write every single note of his own scores.

    Hmm, reminds me of a certain someone…

  • HanRTY

    Frank, did you really have to ask what Greg meant when he was talking about Pizza the Hut? smh

  • Brad2100

    RE: Giving up trailers

    I gave up on trailers about five years ago and movies have never been better. Trailers satisfy a need for your average movie goer, but if you are an avid fan of movies I have no idea why you would watch a trailer – you can decide on seeing a movie based on the short plot description, who wrote it, who directed it and who’s in it. The multiplex near me, part of a chain, plays about 15 min of pre-roll before every movie. This includes trailers as well as commercials and PSAs. Once you’ve learned the timing all you need to do is add it to the advertised start time. I usually walk in right as the movie is starting. In the rare cases where I am forced to be in the theatres during the pre-roll I will usually just try and not look at the screen, as stupid as that may sound.

    I do still watch trailers after I have seen the movie. I am always blown away by what they put in them these days. As for TV spots, it’s easy to change the channel and most of what I watch is on the DVR so even easier to fast forward.


  • Samb

    But Reed isn’t female.

  • Stinker

    No Reed….No Honeybunny….Part 2…..otherwise good

  • Jay Cheel

    Yes, a certain someone who willingly shares onscreen credit with his collaborators. (Not to mention the fact that when working with Carpenter, Alan Howarth was more of a sound designer and technician than composer.)

    I love Hans “Bubby” Zimmer too. I was just surprised to see the staff he has working for him and the offloading he seems to do with his scores.

  • Loren

    Farming Movies/Two Parts – Whoever sent the question. These two films will satisfy both aspects. Just blind buy the Criterion set of the two films. They just got that first release on Bluray not long ago, and were never released on DVD in North America.

    The Emmigrants (3 hours 11 minutes) 1971
    The New Land (3 hours 25 minutes) 1972

    Directed by Jan Troell the Two films are about a Swedish family immigrating to Minnesota and were nominated for multiple Academy Awards and stars Max Von Sydow and Liv Ullman.

  • schizopolis

    Zimmer himself said in a behind the scenes interview for BvS that Junkie XL came up with the guitar riff for the Wonder Woman theme.

  • schizopolis

    Not to beat a dead horse, but I missed my Wonder Woman mid-afternoon screening because of fucking assigned seating! The monitor at the register to choose my seat was garbage and nobody could read it. So I ended up getting a seat too close to the screen. Since the theater was half full, I didn’t want to take my chances just switching seats and having to move again for sitting in an occupied seat. So I decided to follow the rules and get my seat switched at customer service, per Matt Gamble’s recommendation. The service desk was fucking empty for what felt like forever. The trailers already started when I left and after waiting too long, I said “fuck it”, I’ll just go back inside and sit anywhere. When got in, of course, the movie already started. I bolted and all I received for my troubles was a re-admit pass. Fuck you AMC Theatres and fuck assigned seating!

  • Loren

    AMC Theaters is owned by Chinese Conglomerate Wanda Group, who’s Chairman is the richest man in China besides Jack Ma of Alibaba. Interestingly he wants to destroy Disney. Read this article how he wants to destroy Disney theme parks in China and elsewhere. Does your hate grow even more now of AMC my friend? REED is probably reveling in the plans of Chinese dominance and destruction :)

  • Tommy

    Can there be a special segment whenever Hans Zimmer comes up? ‘Hans & Fran(k)z’

  • Beat_C

    i don’t know anything about the canadian situation other than what i was fed by filmjunk. we (here in switzerland) don’t have screens in the theatre, but usually book our tickets online and you can chose the seat you want. seems simply enough.
    from what you’re saying, the problem is not the assigned seating, but how it’s handled (garbage monitor, lack of staff etc.).

  • kent88

    Zimmer’s minions (let’s call them Bubby’s Boys) do get credited as “additional music” on both the movie and the CD soundtracks. It’s very easy to look up who these people are.

    I’m sure it’s a different process each time but on THE DARK KNIGHT RISES for example Zimmer composed one hour worth of theme suites (all available on Youtube) and then Bubby’s Boys, I guess, helped edit them to picture and maybe added additional brown noise here and there.

    Zimmer’s approach might sound suspicious to some people but I don’t really see how it’s much different to a Second Unit D.P. or an editor having assistants.

    Plus I don’t think you can argue with the results in Zimmer’s case. I mean, have you heard the LONE RANGER score recently? ;)

  • kent88

    Then Zimmer is lying.

    One of the guys who runs has all kinds of inside information on Zimmer’s scores and he claims the theme is Zimmer’s.

    It doesn’t help that Junkie XL (Tom Holkenborg) isn’t credited on that track (“Is She with You?”) on the ASCAP cue sheet:

  • Jr

    That 20/20 joke was classic. Nice one Jay.

  • pcch7

    nah Baywatch did that

  • Anthony

    “Don’t pander to the majority, pander to me.”
    – Frank

  • Your first mistake was going to AMC…

  • schizopolis

    LMAO at Frank interpreting the “God of Truth” line literally!! No wonder he loves Trump. He’ll believe any jerk-off that spins a negative concept to his advantage to win over a crowd. Ares fooled Frank!

  • schizopolis

    They gave me no choice now with the re-admit pass. Had to go back.

  • ReelJunkie

    Frank’s breakdown of how WW was copying Marvel by having moments of levity and not being as “cinematic” as the other DC films is truly… something… to… behold.

  • EzekielFX

    Amazing episode guys!! Loved everything. Great to have Jay, Greg, and Zak back in action :)

  • ReelJunkie

    How come nobody has still mentioned that Greg looks and sounds exactly like James Mangold?

  • Balls

    It’s because I am James Mangold.

  • pcch7

    It always pisses me off when people say they think Tom Cruise is bad. Like are you braindead? Some things are beyond subjective, like Kate Beckinsale being hot. Cruise being a good actor is one such thing. I actually thought he was great in Rock of Ages btw, the hightlight of that film for sure. He’s got so many great performances over the decades, probably the last true movie star for me. I’d probably have Magnolia, Born on the Fourth of July and Interview With A Vampire at the top

  • pcch7

    it all makes sense now

  • pcch7

    and Zak is great btw

  • pcch7

    I would also prefer if they made movies appeal more to me tbh

  • Beat_C

    but tom cruise is bad! he really made a career out of being (apparently) a pretty boy. i agree he’s a solid action star these days, nothing more, nothing less. you say it yourself, he’s a movie star, yeah, but a good actor? certainly not. same with brad pitt, who gets way too much credit on filmjunk as well. ps have you seen kate beckinsale lately? more botox than hotness nowadays.

  • Falsk

    Also The Naked Island

  • Falsk

    All this talk of Tom Cruise and running has me rewatching this gem:

  • Balls

    Tom Cruise is a great actor when he needs to be. Kate Beckinsale is very attractive. Brad Pitt was excellent in A River Runs Through It. Who else wants scorching hot takes?

  • pcch7

    Nah Tom Cruise is a great actor and a movie star. Pitt is good but not as good as Cruise. Beckinsale is probably still the hottest thing walking on two legs imo

  • ah

    Started watching The Leftovers after Franks high praise of it. Just got to episode six of the first season, which Frank claims is “one of the greatest episodes of TV ever”, and I’ve got to say I’m Swooning for Coon too now bud! She’s really good in Fargo this season as well.

    Thanks for the recommendation Frank – I’m loving it. The score is incredible and episodes three and six have been the highlights so far for me.

  • pcch7

    ok I had not heard of this before but I am very excited now. Just the cast alone. Tour De Pharmacy, HBO mockumentary starring Jeff Goldblum, Dolph Lundgren, Jeff Cena and more

  • pcch7

    Looks like we’ve got ourselves a nominee for next years Know Your Role award at the Junkies =D

  • pcch7

    I’ve listened to the score and it is indeed really good. Might give the show a watch

  • frankw35

    There are a few articles on the net this week that go to the junkmail question about Tom Cruise. He’s a good actor but for nearly two decades he’s been doing the action hero thing and not actually doing anything that’s challenging beyond the incredible stunt work he does. He’s a mid-fifties guy playing twenty/thirty something roles (in some cases, I don’t mind–(Edge of Tomorrow)). But when is the last time he played a real human being? He’s capable of better.

  • LordAwesome


    There are tonnes of other actors who “act”.

    There’s only one that I know of who climbs the world’s tallest building or hangs on to the outside of a plane at 5,000ft for our entertainment.

    Let the Cruiser keep doing his action thing while he can. He’ll have plenty of time for “real acting” after that.

  • gibson8

    Greg: ‘…pizza orders you…’ is a Yakov Smirnoff reference which is badly dated as the decades roll by. Once again Frank was wrong.