Film Junk Podcast Episode #612: Alien: Covenant

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0:00 – Intro: Reed’s Primal Scream / Jay’s Unboxing
35:00 – Review: Alien: Covenant
1:22:33 – Headlines: Star Trek: Discovery Trailer
1:35:25 – Other Stuff We Watched: Alias, LA 92, Moontrap, The Strain, Our Man in Havana, Master of None: Season 2, Psycho (1960), Psycho (1998)
2:12:24 – Junk Mail: Man Sues Date for Texting During Movie, Sean’s Current Stance on Prometheus, Favourite Dream Sequences, Directors Who Go from Auteur to Jobber, Bootleg DVDs and Blu-rays, Removing Security Strips from Blu-rays
2:52:10 – Reed’s New Segment
2:57:56 – This Week on DVD and Blu-ray
2:59:45 – Outro
3:05:00 – Spoiler Discussion: Alien: Covenant

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  • Reed Farrington

    Don’t know if it has been established other than in a deleted scene from Alien, but the victims are used as food for egg creation and sustenance perhaps although Aliens established that a queen alien lays eggs. You do raise an interesting question about the expiration date on eggs. Would be cool if the Aliens were Vegans.

  • devolutionary

    I’m in the pro-Covenant camp but immediately sighed knowing this would be a multi-film franchise. Just knowing there’s going to be a planned “prequel” to Covenant tying events to “Prometheus” leaves a sour taste. I hate having to judge movies posthumously rather than on their own merits. Couldn’t they have covered that in this one?

  • Bandit Manatee

    Maybe they could introduce time travel into the franchise to explain how aliens and predators appeared on 21st century earth

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  • Beat_C

    Dear Reed. Yes, HR Giger was Swiss, but we don’t use Euros, we have the Swiss Franc. Thought that might interest you. Best regards.

  • Beat_C

    Oh, and something else: Is there an equivalent to “forcefeeding” when you don’t do it to yourself, but to someone else? Because I feel that’s what’s going on here with Sean and “Prometheus”, it’s almost like Frank and Jay try to bully him into liking it.

  • Beat_C

    I didn’t get Reed’s definition of a jobber, because for him it’s when a director takes on a small-budget movie, while for me it’s usually someone who takes on a big-budget movie. A movie that was constructed by a studio, which then is looking for someone to direct it. it’s true of most blockbusters these days, I guess.

  • Kyle Grimes

    New Frank is reallllly stretching to justify that 4.5 rating.
    I think a lot was left out. I’d love a re-review when this comes to 4k
    A couple things. Yes the crew were scientists who happened to be couples. The rest that were not were sleeping on the ship still. The growth of the xenomorph still doesn’t make sense because Crudup was infected by a classic facehugger. And the baby xenomorph should have resembled the newborn from Hurt.
    Also new Frank, didn’t it bother you that the synthetics name was Walter? Complete blow to trilogy/ anthology cred

  • Frankie Knuckles

    Did I miss something? (potentially starting to sweat) Why is the synthetics name being Walter a hit to trilogy cred?

  • Reed Farrington

    Oh, thx for the info. Just read in Wikipedia that you’re surrounded by countries that use the Euro. I suspect that for tourism and practical reasons, the HR Giger Museum and websites would price items in Euros.

  • Reed Farrington

    I always associate force-feeding with hospitals providing nourishment for patients who can’t or won’t eat.

  • devolutionary

    (A)sh, (B)ishop, (C)all, (D)avid. I took Walter to be a Ridley Scott nod to the final Alien scriptwriters, David Giler and Walter Hill, but who knows? I do recall that Ridley never liked the alphabetization of Android names.

  • Reed Farrington

    I know you hate me, Kyle, but I have nothing better to do than address your comments.

    I don’t think the crew “happened” to be couples. I assumed they were selected as couples because it’s actually being considered for real-life space missions. What rest of the crew that were not couples are you talking about? You mean the embryos?

    I think it’s hard to criticize the way xenomorphs should look when we don’t know if the DNA of all facehuggers is the same and exactly what’s involved when mixed DNA species are created. Just look at the variety of mutations that can occur when humans breed.

    And like Frank, I, too, do not know what significance there is in the name “Walter.”

  • Samb

    I would say it depends on whose vision is being executed. If you cobble together finances, make a film, and then try to get it distributed, that’s usually a director-driven project. If a studio commissions a film and then hires the film makers, then it’s a producer-driven project. The director is, literally, taking a job. Most TV work falls into this category as well.

  • Reed Farrington

    Oh, I guess this is what Kyle Grimes is referencing in the name “Walter” being a blow to the cred. I wasn’t aware of the alphabetization.

  • devolutionary

    This is the problem I’m guessing some people originally had with Prometheus. Do we judge the movie solely on its own with so many more questions posed and fewer answered? Or do we hold out hope that even more questions will finally be answered in the next Prequel/Sequel? Or will it end up repeating this formula and leave us with a wet noodle? Stay tuned for the next episode of Ridley Scott’s Wheel of Alien Origins!

  • Reed Farrington

    Oh, yes, I understand what you’re getting at. I was thinking of directors who were famous and directed blockbusters, and then fell on hard times, having to direct B-movies with lower budgets. But I can see how your definition would make more sense. I wish someone on the podcast would have corrected me, but I suppose I’m wrong so often that they leave me with my deluded thoughts.

  • Reed Farrington

    I think what you’re saying leaves much to interpretation, Samb. I would simply say that film is director-driven and that television is producer-driven. Don’t know who’s driving the content on streaming services.

  • Samb

    I’m sure it’s not as simple as I described, but I don’t see (for instance) how the Marvel cinematic universe could be described as anything but producer-driven. You might enjoy some director choices made within it, but each film is irrevocably bound up with matters of franchise cred.

  • pcch7

    the Reed story lmao

  • J.C.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/25aaf117c92898fd1c3dfe4527197d1f2a49de4a71d4482b5374e86c21dd384a.jpg

    I know this isn’t a 4K slip cover but this is still pretty gross. This is why I wish they had just never even started doing slip covers in the first place. I can understand putting stickers on the plastic wrap but don’t put stickers on the slip cover!

  • ProjectGenesis

    It really presented a new side of him. I had no idea he could get so furious over a seemingly harmless party prank.

  • Reed Farrington

    I think this would support the non-use of slip covers in a collection.

  • Reed Farrington

    Have you not seen The Politics of Competitive Board Gaming Amongst Friends?

  • ProjectGenesis

    It’s been awhile. I don’t remember a prank. I guess I need to re-watch!

  • Beat_C

    Yeah, it’s strange. i just saw “Covenant” this afternoon, and the fact the Frank was “flirting with a 6 out of 5″ is staggering. This movie was – to quote reed – ordinary, it really was: no surprises, no originality, no inspiration.

  • Beat_C

    Oh for sure. Most books have the prices in both currencies printed on their backs anyway.

  • Maureen W.

    Another example of a scientist’s emotions putting others’ lives in peril is Anne Hathaway’s character in “Interstellar.” They go to the one planet just so she can be with her boyfriend if I remember correctly.

  • Newtman98

    Hearing that story made my palms sweat because I have been involved in several heated board gaming fights. That next day conversation is always super awkward but ours was never recorded for a podcast. Props to you guys for moving past it.

  • pcch7

    Just got back from watching Alien: Covenant. I’m with NuFrank on this one, I loved it. The only thing I didn’t like was the alien vision. So many great visuals and like Frank said, Scott’s sci-fi aesthetic is just perfect.

  • pcch7

    That one is good

  • kent88

    I’m not a Film Junk truther myself, but I do agree with the King of Conspiracy that Jay’s new movie sounds a little bit suspicious.

    Is Jay’s Depphobia really that severe that he’ll go to any extreme length to avoid the PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN movies?

  • frankw35

    Are Rotten Tomatoes ratings on Blu-rays a thing? “Hmmm..Pinocchio..never heard of it. Wonder what the critics say.”

  • frankw35

    I have a friend who’s seeing it tonight and I know she has not seen Prometheus. So Junkers, does this movie stand/make sense on its own? Would love to hear a review from someone who had no experience of this as a follow-up to the last one ( and obviously if they haven’t seen “Alien” they shouldn’t be allowed in).

  • pcch7

    Shouldn’t be a major problem

  • pcch7

    only Jay knows the true Deppth of his phobia I guess

  • Beat_C

    I disagree with pcch7; seeing “Covenant” without having seen “Prometheus” is probably quite confusing and boring.

  • pcch7

    how so?

  • She wants to pick that one, but McConaughey calls her out on it and they go to the other two instead. Her BF’s planet ends up being the one that works, so the rare time it would’ve helped to listen to emotion.

  • Little late to the party, but I just wanted to offer something about Covenant:

    On Sean’s point of not liking that the Xenomorph originates from David – it doesn’t. In Prometheus, we’re shown murals and relief carvings of xenomorph figures, one in a Christ pose, so clearly they have been created or existed in the Engineer history before David does any tinkering. David sees various reactions to the goo and impregnation in the events of Prometheus and sees how far he can take that in this film. Also, I don’t think it’s entirely out of the realm of believability that not all Engineers died in that courtyard, giving him test subjects to combine with whatever he birthed from Shaw to equal the queen or whatever we see later on.

    Anyway, just my two cents on some nitpicks, I still agree mostly with Jay’s views on A:C.

  • Reed, the rest of the crew he’s referring to are the 2000 colonists in sleep pods suspended in the embryo section of the ship… Did you miss that?

  • Reed Farrington

    I consider colonists in sleep pods not to be crew but as cargo, since they don’t run the ship. And do we know those colonists weren’t couples?

  • No I assume they were couples, I was just explaining who he was referring to because you asked if he meant the embryos.

  • Kyle Grimes

    No I really do love you Reed