Film Junk Podcast Episode #597: Split and The Founder

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0:00 – Intro
8:30 – Review: Split
28:40 – Review: The Founder
55:15 – Feature: Most Anticipated Movies of 2017
1:09:00 – Other Stuff We Watched: The Park is Mine, Moonlight, On Dangerous Ground, Certain Women, Magnolia
1:26:50 – Feature: Assigned Seating Debate with Matt Gamble
2:19:50 – This Week on DVD and Blu-ray
2:24:50 – Outro
2:30:20 – Spoiler Discussion: Split

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  • devolutionary

    Hey Frankie, while at PAX South, did you get a chance to pre-book a date at the Royal Rumble? What were the odds? ;) Potential gold for the next Ball Junk.

  • Han

    No Star Wars talk?

  • Sean

    There’s about 10 or 15 seconds in there somewhere,,,

  • devolutionary

    As a darkly comedic commentary on religion (Catholicism), the Calvary was quite good. Both Gleason’s were in that film too.

  • David Delaney

    That assigned seating chat was hilarious. #gothlife

  • SquidHead#1Fan

    With all due respect, Matt Gamble is fucking insane and clearly blinded by dollar signs.

  • Thank you.

  • Sam

    Matt don’t gamble with his dough-rae-me.

  • Sam

    2017 releases I’d toss out as notable that I think weren’t mentioned in the episode:

    The Killing of a Sacred Deer – New Yorgos Lanthimos starring Farrell again

    Okja – New Bong Joon-ho

    Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri – Martin McDonagh’s new movie who came up on the episode

    Based on a True Story – new Roman Polanski

    The Beguiled – Sofia Coppola western

    The Death of Stalin – new movie from Armando Iannucci (did In the Loop)

    Mother – new Darren Aronofsky

    Mute – new Duncan Jones

    The Snowman – Tomas Alfredson movie starring Fassbender

    The Trap – new Harmony Korine

    Wind River – debut from Taylor Sheridan who wrote Sicario and Hell or High Water

    Wonderstruck – new Todd Haynes

  • Robin

    1. Dunkirk (Nolan)

    2. Happy End (Haneke)
    3. The Snowman (Alfredson)
    4. Logan Lucky (Soderbergh)
    5. Untitled Paul Thomas Anderson project

  • ah

    Who else is watching Albinoman?

    As Jay (the true Earl of Urls) said, you can find it at vimeo.com on google and then search vimeo.com/user286238

    I’m already cracking up at the 12 minute mark watching Albinoman in the psychiatrist’s chair listing off his dreams. It’s genuinely funny and Sean lives up to who I can only assume is his acting mentor, and earns the moniker M. Night Seanmalan.

    Can we get an Albinoman: The Motion Picture and Albinoman Again commentary premium? Sure, it’s ultra niche but I’m coming at it from the perspective of re-living the experience of making these films as kids, something a lot of film fans can relate to, even if they never did it to this level. Plus it would just be really funny to listen to!

  • Craig

    Jay brought this point up, but I don’t know which seat I want til I get into the screen itself. It’s not just a matter of how many seats there are. If two screens have 300 seats but one has 20 a row and one has 30 a row then it’s a pretty big difference with regards to the layout of the room. Also you need to factor in screen size and even what ratio the film is. These things you can’t really get by just looking at a computer screen.

    Thankfully in Manchester (England, not By The Sea) assigned seating is incredibly rare.

  • Larry Morgan

    I love assigned seating and am glad that Alamo Drafthouse in Austin uses this method. Mostly because I can guarantee the seat I want without having to show up really early. As easy as that for me.

  • Larry Morgan

    Also, Alamo wont let you in if the movie started, so there wouldn’t be awkward formalities if someone showed up late etc if you moved after the movie started, which is great.

  • Larry Morgan

    Also, they don’t let you in after the movie starts and just give you a refund. That should be adopted by more theaters I think.

  • Sam

    I also feel the same regarding assigned as Jay does but actually have never directly experienced anything negative about them yet, just simply would prefer to walk, look at the crowd and sit where I please once I walk in.

    The only time I potentially could have had a disaster actually went surprisingly smooth. I went to watch La La Land alone on Christmas day and according to the box office clerk, I bought the absolute last seat available. So after saying yes to the seat, and walking in, it hit me that potentially someone would be sitting in my seat since there’s only one available and like Sean said, if one person got out of line, I would be fucked confronting who ever is my seat and getting a lot of people to move, or try to luck around the theater for a single available seat. Luckily, the crowd I was with was apparently a good crowd and my seat was still free. But I can definitely relate to Jay’s neuroticism.

  • Andrija

    Now that Gamble destroyed your arguments, it’s time to put this seating thing to rest. Classic Krampus situation though.

  • I agree with this, we halt after 10 minutes past the scheduled start time but there really isn’t an industry standard for it, which can lead to different places handling it differently.

  • You actually can. A 30 row screen would be incredibly thin, which means a small screen so you’d want to sit closer than you normally would. The actual screen would be something like 35′ and the back row would be somewhere around 120-140′ from the screen depending on the stage depth. It’s about 2′ width per seat, and 4′ depth per row.
    Most modern stadium seating theatres don’t go much past 15 rows, preferring to go wider than longer, it allows for a bigger screen and a more impressive presentation. The idea is to make the screen seem bigger, not smaller. That math gets a bit thrown out with the truly massive auditoriums but the razor thin designs went out with the 80’s when theatre companies were splitting up screens in an effort to get as many screens as possible.

  • One thing I didn’t point out is that reserved seating allows you to deliver stuff to people in their seat. Drafthouse does this really well, and I know Marcus Theatres does it a lot too. We’ve shied away from it because we’ve always struggled with doing it well and it frustrated people more than made things easier, but eventually I would expect this would be industry standard.

  • I understand Matt’s points – I’ve been in theatre management as well – but just to play devil’s advocate on a couple of them:

    I find reserved seating encourages latecomers. Locking out showtimes when they start will turn away people coming in late and buying tickets, but there’s nothing stopping someone from walking in late if they bought tickets ahead of time, unless your ushers actually refuse them entry with a ticket in their hand.

    And on the topic of safety… Not really an issue in Canada, but I would think having a seating chart showing how busy each cinema is would just give a shooter an easy way to pick where to open fire for maximum effect. Stick to the matinees, Jay, and always keep that aisle seat for a quick getaway.

  • I think the point is, yes YOU can tell the screen size looking at the seating chart, but most people won’t be able to. Even if you told them in feet how large the screen is, I don’t think most people would really have an idea of what that’s like until they’re in the theatre.

  • Very entertaining, I’d like to hear more of you and Jay calling each other on your shit.

  • Meh, I think you could argue the overuse of pre-show advertising and overlong trailer builds encourages it just as much. The guys aren’t wrong that exhibitors do plenty of things to encourage crappy behavior. AMC in particular is fucking all of us with how they run things.
    But yes, entry patterns have changed, but what we see is people arriving in tighter clusters instead of being spread out over the course of an hour. Now people arrive 5 min before show start and expect to be through concessions and sitting down within 10 minutes. It took a long time for us to get good at that.
    Active shooters is a whole nother beast that the industry is trying to figure out. It’s a valid thing to point out, I go through active shooter training every year which is something I never thought I’d have to do.

  • Agreed, pre-show advertising is killing any respect people have for theatres and is a complete misuse of the cinema experience. It’s a shame. Man, I loved that job, but the policies were totally killing the enjoyment of employees and patrons.

  • Hey, I’m just teaching him and the millions of Film Junk listeners (per Jay’s alternative facts) how to fish.

  • Tommy

    I said this last week, sorry, but hearing the lineup again, I think it’d be awesome to expand the Scorsese premium beyond one instalment so you could include movies people are much less familiar with. I need an excuse to watch Boxcar Bertha and Kundun!

  • pcch7

    Thank god for Matt Gamble, speaking some much needed sense.

  • pcch7

    The one I go to, if you preorder, your ticket will forfeit if you don’t pick it up in time. And if you book (meaning that you don’t pay when you order) a ticket, you have to pick it up 20 minutes before the movie starts at the latest or it will forfeit.

  • pcch7

    How do you guys handle concession? The one I go to, the customers picks up the popcorn, drinks etc themselves and takes it to the cashier

  • pcch7

    Maybe this isn’t standard everywhere but my place shows the dimensions of the screen.

  • pcch7

    I doubt the vast majority care about the screen tbh.

  • Kevin Cardoza

    I’m not sure the issue with latecomers a compelling argument. I find latecomers show up for the movie either way. Hell, at major concert halls and theatres in this city, you still have a bunch of people showing up late for something they paid $100+ per ticket for.
    That said, assigned seating can exacerbate the issue, as instead of coming into the theatre late and quickly somewhere empty to sit, they cause a huge nuisance as they struggle to find their seat in the dark.

  • Kevin Cardoza

    Put me in the category of loving assigned seating in theatres. I get a good idea of how packed the show is ahead of time just by looking online, and I can pick a favourite spot and then show up much later to the theatre. Jay as usual seems to have such a specific and odd behaviour that you almost think he does it on purpose in order to make something simple become an inconvenient and hassling process.

  • Jay Cheel

    Yes, he talked sense as to why movie theatres have implemented assigned seating and why he prefers it. It doesn’t change the fact that I don’t. I’m not trying to tell those who benefit from it that they actually DON’T benefit from it, so why try to tell me that I actually DO prefer it?

    You like it. I don’t. It’s that simple.

  • I wouldn’t be a fan of something that extreme here in the Twin Cities. Weather plays a pretty big role in how soon people can make it to the theatre 3-5 months out of the year. I’d feel bad telling people they can’t have their money back because a blizzard or ice storm kept them from getting to the theatre.

    Things come up, emergencies happen. There are always very legit reasons why people can’t make it out to the movies and I just feel people shouldn’t be punished because of that.

    Lateness to me is a minor problem, and a fairly fixable one by halting sales and limiting entrance and not doing half hour pre-shows that drive people crazy. I care more about behavior once the movie starts.

  • We handle it like most tend to, you order when you get to the cashier, though our big problem was our stand was laid out terribly. It took us a long time to figure out how to run it efficiently.

    The big change coming to the industry is a push to allow people to order concessions from the App when they buy tickets, and just walk up and pickup their food whenever they arrive at the theatre. I think this will be a logistical nightmare and reduce the quality of the concession items we hand out, but what do I know?

  • What about how you try to tell people how to organize their movie collections based solely on how you like it?

  • Nobody

    I love how the seating debate was brought onto the show and I LOVE ASSIGNED SEATING!!!

  • Nobody

    For Frank, the list is missing Scott Cooper’s Hostiles. That’s a hell of a cast he wrangled together again.

  • pcch7

    How do you get out of that sentence that I am telling you that you prefer assigned seating?

    I agree it is very simple.

  • pcch7

    That’s how we used to have it but I guess it took a longer time for the employee to go and pick out everything the customer wanted, pour drinks etc than it does for each customer to go get what they want and bring it to the cashier. Now all they have to do is just ring it all up at the till and then the customer goes through down to the cinemas.

  • How is this comment upvoted six times?

  • SLionsCricket

    Liking the Scorsese premium lineup but can we possibly get After Hours in there instead of Bringing Out the Dead? One of Jay’s favourites too so I’d love to hear that discussion

  • I’m surprised Mean Streets isn’t part of it.

  • Highlight of the show:

    Frank: What is the female protagonist’s character’s name?
    Sean: Who… wha? Uhh Which…? Are we talking about James McAvoy?
    Frank: I said female.
    Sean: Kevin?
    Frank: No. Female.
    Sean: Oh! Uhhh… Are we talking about the girls?
    Frank: Female. Yeah [laughter]
    Sean: Uhhh….
    Jay: Sean doesn’t see gender.

  • Sean

    Bringing Out the Dead is there to provide at least one movie that isn’t so highly regarded. But we did talk about After Hours on the Movie Club Podcast once upon a time. Not sure if it’s still available.

    Scorsese could obviously support a second premium somewhere down the road.

  • So here’s the thing with the assigned seating discussion.

    1) Mostly I’m with Jay. In most cases I prefer to be the guy who gets to a theater on time (or early) and just sit where I please. However…
    2) The problem is, Jay’s arguments against it are the most rare and miniscule scenarios. They’re just not good arguments. All of Matt’s arguments and points were spot on and actually mattered.
    3) This was addresses but not really talked about in the show: the biggest problem with assigned seating (for me) is groups. If a group of friends is going to a movie and gets tickets, then two hours later invite me; I can’t sit with them because they are in assigned seating and I’ll have to get my ticket for somewhere else in the theater.
    – – this is why for Star Wars for example, we have to spend about 10 hours getting all of our ducks in a row (literally online chatting all afternoon) and one person has to buy all the tickets. Which isn’t a big deal – but all of a sudden a buddy wants to come with us that wasn’t privy to the conversation earlier in the day – she can’t come now. It’s really frustrating.

  • devolutionary

    Certainly not the first time. Sean even confused Kirstie Alley as Lt. Saavik with Commander Sonak in the Star Trek Premium. It’s all good.

  • Haha, yep, much respect to Matt Gamble for standing in the firing line with this.
    Unassigned seating horror: Never go to an opening night with friends. If there are more than 3 people, organisation becomes a problem and you’ll definitely be entering late and either won’t sit together or will have to take the only cluster of seats you can find. If you aren’t in the first wave of patrons entering the theatre, expect sub tier seating.