Film Junk Podcast Episode #425: The Lone Ranger, The Bling Ring and Before Midnight

The Lone Ranger

0:00 – Intro
2:47 – Review: The Lone Ranger
47:24 – Review: The Bling Ring
1:05:07 – Review: Before Midnight
1:28:13 – Other Stuff We Watched: Before Sunrise, Before Sunset, Pussy Riot: A Punk Prayer, Kill Bill Vol. 2, Help!, Doomsday, Despicable Me, Comedians In Cars Getting Coffee, Our Idiot Brother, The Wild and Wonderful Whites of West Virginia, Cedar Rapids, Cyrus, How to Make Money Selling Drugs, Pure Luck, Bird on a Wire, Three Fugitives
2:07:52 – Junk Mail: Frank’s Favourite Foreign Comedies, Why Is Terrence Malick Making So Many Films Lately, What’s With the Project X Review?, Nicknames For Sean
2:17:38 – This Week on DVD and Blu-ray
2:20:27 – Outro

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  • Kasper F. Nielsen

    I didn’t rewatch Independence Day (and haven’t watched it in 10 or so years) while listening to the latest premium and it was still a great listen. I have zero urge to ever revisit Independence Day.

  • Sam

    I revisited Independence Day in preparation for the commentary and listened to it separately. You guys were successful in making it enjoyable without having to have the movie actually playing along with it.

  • Sam

    My Top 5 so far, though I still want to see Before Midnight and Behind the Candelabra:

    1. Mud

    2. Stoker

    3. Side Effects

    4. A Hijacking

    5. Spring Breakers

    Also enjoyed Kon-Tiki, Man of Steel, and The Place Beyond the Pines.

  • Napalm

    I think Jay got story and theme mixed up in that epic debate with Frank. I’ll have to side with Frank on that one. What he said was correct. Whatever Jay said about The Thing and dubbed it as being the “story” were actually themes portrayed in the film, as Frank pointed out.

  • kent88

    With Sean gone next week, I assume it’s time for another chilled out Vibecast with Nuno and Reed?

  • Jay Cheel

    Yes, I was put on the spot and misrepresenting the story with my initial assessment, but if you listen further I backtracked and said it’s about a group of men trying to figure out which one of them is The Thing. What I was trying to explain was that plot is simply a sequence of events. It just wasn’t very articulate.

  • devolutionary

    Ditto. Funny enough, after listening to the audio commentary; low and behold, ID4 pops up on TV5 (French Canadian channel) in French dubbing. Now that would’ve been an entertaining version to make a commentary for.

  • Jay Cheel

    Also, I would like to add that Frank brought up the The Thing suggesting asking if it was a great story. My response was an attempt to point out what’s great about The Thing, which I suppose relies upon the themes that arise via the story.

  • Film Junk Fan 15

    Only 20 minuets into the episode and Jay & Frank are fighting like Cats & Dogs!!!!!!!!!! This is why i love the Film Junk Podcast!!!!!!!!!!

  • Film Junk Fan 15

    i am just itching to get to another episode of The Vibecast!!!!!!!!!!

  • Napalm

    Yeah I see how going back and forth like that can confuse someone. BTW, I also agree with Frank on the issue of story and plot being closely related to the point they are almost interchangeable. I know, plot = all the specific series of events that make up the story… but I’m with Frank on the idea that they are almost interchangeable. Story and theme however, not so much.

  • Napalm

    Yeah I just came here to post that! Another Vibecast is long overdue and the timing is really perfect! Make it happen guys… at least get Reed on the show!

  • Jay Cheel

    First off, it’s important to note that the plot versus story conversation here is specifically in relation to cinema. The inclusion of visuals, audio, camera technique, etc. adds a whole other layer of storytelling that isn’t necessarily relevant when breaking the two terms down in literary terms.

    Setting aside the technical aspect (and the idea of cinematic storytelling), I think a big difference between plot and story is the way in which plot can actually get in the way of a good story. People always complain about films that lay everything out on the table and leave little to the viewer’s imagination. This is classic over-plotting commonly found in blockbusters. The viewer is fed all of the details and left with little to the imagination, resulting in plot heavy, uninspired storytelling. Whereas pulling back plot points and allowing the story to breath can result in a stronger story when a viewer is given just enough information to come to their own conclusions. It’s a much more satisfying story when you’re not being fed all of the details via plot.

    The typical “Scooby Doo” ending in which the twist is laid out for the audience is a good example of over-plotting. A film that’s confident enough to allow an audience to put two and two together without depending on plot ultimately results in a better story.

    Plot is restricted to the information relayed throughout the film whereas story can be discovered or expanded upon by the audience based on information given to them by the plot. It’s a subtle difference but I think it’s an important one when attempting to craft something that’s engaging and entertaining.

  • devolutionary

    Cmon kids, gather ’round the open campfire and let me tell you a plot!

  • Ripplesdip

    I personally hate it when the arguing goes on. But if Frank wasn’t so easily impressed…. :)

  • Ripplesdip

    Yes…couldn’t agree more that a “vibecast” and the Nuno/Reed combo are in order.

  • Film Junk Fan 15

    Grandpa can you tell me the classic plot of Humpty Dumpty!!!

  • John Abides

    Just as a data point, I saw Before Sunrise when I was in my late teens and loved it. The long takes, naturalistic story, and possibility of meeting a beautiful french lady while in Vienna captivated my heart. I saw Before Sunset about when it came out and also loved that one. I have high hopes for Before Midnight.

    I only say this to counter the notion that you have to be the same age as the characters, or maybe older, in order to appreciate the films. Their appeal is broad.

  • Jay Cheel

    Reed has been contacted! Just waiting for him to come across a rogue wifi signal so he can actually reply.

  • Bandit Manatee

    Frank, I was wondering does Silver Linings playbook not make your list of favorite comedies of the last 5 or 10 years? I would say it as much of a comedy or maybe more than Magic Mike.

  • piggystardust

    The Duke of Spook took a duke on the Bling Ring

  • Tum Tum Tyranus

    Top 5 films of 20X3 so far (haven’t seen GI Joe II, Before Midnight, Iron Man III)

    1)Stoker
    2)Furious Six
    3)Maniac (20X3)
    4)Hansel & Gretel: Witch Hunters
    5)Oz: The Great and Powerful

    1-3 = masterful | 4&5 = outstanding

  • BatemanBegins

    My Top 5

    1) Spring Breakers
    2) Behind the Candelabra
    3) Iron Man 3
    4) Stoker
    5) Side Effects

    Honorable mention to Pain & Gain (I’ve only seen around 10 or 11 2013 releases).

  • Frankie Knuckles

    Good call, should have been there!

  • jarny

    my top 5

    1. star trek
    2.mud
    3.fast and furious 6
    4 this is the end
    5.evil dead

  • KylG

    Jay should really check out Help! given his love of Superman III, it should be right up his alley.

  • Jay Cheel

    I’ve seen bits and pieces of it through my Dad over the years but not enough to say I’ve actually seen it. It’s one of a few outstanding Lester films — and probably the most significant — that I’ve been meaning to finally watch. A blu ray was released a couple of weeks ago but I’ve had no luck finding it anywhere.

  • Sean

    FYI: I found it at Best Buy, but it was in the music section.

  • KylG

    I found my copy in the music section of Target as well.

  • reed boner!

    im making a song just with the clip when u guys said a hard day night simultaneously. you guys should start a rn’b group called j’sea’

  • ProCynic

    Jay Have you checked out The Bed Sitting Room? The Knack..And how to get it? But Juggernaut is still THE under rated Lester film. Don’t Remake It! Just bloody release it on BD

  • rusinchicago

    fight fight fight

  • Owozifa

    Best part of this episode was the way Switzerland totally bombed Frankistan and then pretended to be neutral while a war was begun with the Cheel Republic.

  • Jay Cheel

    I think it’s time me and Frankistan join forces and invade Switerland.

  • ProCynic

    Thought my email of a few weeks had fallen on deaf ears, but thanks Jay for the inclusion of ratings for stuff you’ve watched..Even thou I abide the rating system, I guess its the quick way to sift through the mire. Thanks Mr Cheel.

  • Chris

    Will you guys be reviewing The Conjuring because there has been a severe lack of horror reviews this year?

  • Sean

    We are definitely planning on reviewing it at some point.

  • Strybeck

    plot is to story as morals is to ethics

  • Matt the Kiwi

    This was by far one of my favourite discussions on the podcast of late. It’s always a curly circle to try and perfectly define story vs plot vs theme vs premise. Think the most interesting point was around what a good ‘story teller’ can do with regards to movies. Although there’s little worse than a great story being butchered by a bad story teller.
    Trying to define what makes a great story could fill an entire podcast on its own – perhaps it is all in the telling when it comes to movies?

  • gepeto

    Listened for years but the fact jay and frank rates after earth , the lone ranger higher then man of steel I cant take you guys seriously anymore u need greg back. Adios

  • Sean

    Reminder: there was still one person on the podcast who did not like The Lone Ranger and After Earth more than Man of Steel.

  • Matt the Kiwi

    Loved ‘Our Idiot Brother’ too. Particularly the scene where Rudd lost it at his sisters was a stand out – it seemed so real and familiar where someone who is more of an observer than a participant suddenly launches in with a well earned wake up call. Will definitely watch this again.

  • Matt the Kiwi

    Hey Sean, you were wondering why the New Zealand movie ‘Boy’ took so long to come out in north America. Basically lack of movie but the director took to kickstarter to raise the funds and, although it took a while, he finally got there, hence the delayed release. Its hard to recommend this one to non-kiwi’s. As a local film that touched on what’s an important subject here, it couldn’t be done better but I don’t know if that translates to a global audience…Jay, if you ever finish watching it, let us know. But watch Out of Blue first!

  • Owozifa

    60s spy movie stuff AND cults? No wonder Sean loved Help!

  • Jake Miles

    Where’s Greg?

  • piggy

    Don’t put too much stock in ratings. It’s the least interesting part about the show.

  • Lori Cerny
  • Victor

    Picture this scene from the future:
    Child: Daddy, tell me a story.
    Jay: I’ll tell you the story of Little Red Riding Hood. It’s about greed and innocence. The end.
    Child: Can I have another one, Daddy?
    Jay: This is the story of Hansel and Gretel. It’s about fear of abandonment. The end
    Child: One last one, please! Try to put some intonation in it for once.
    Jay: Cinderella. It’s about sibling rivalry and foot fetishism. The end.

  • okayflint

    Well that Lone Ranger review… was embarrassing. Great show, though!